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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The question was...

    "Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing them?"

    I don't recall the word "can" inserted anywhere in there.
    Why would you ask them to do something you know they won't do?

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Once again I like the idea I just don't think it would work.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Why would you ask them to do something you know they won't do?
    There is the idea that with enough emails,phone calls,faxes and other things they might be forced into doing what we want them to do. ONe of those ideas at least the idea of posting the bill 72 hours before they vote on in it is being pushed.


    Read The Bill: Endorsements


    H.Res.554: Amending the Rules of the House of... OpenCongress

    This resolution would require that the full text of House legislation and accompanying committee reports be continuously posted on the Internet. Moreover it seeks to establish a policy prohibiting the House from voting on legislation until 72 hours after its text is made available to Congress members and the general public.

    The billís stated purpose is to enhance public participation and improve the quality of proposed legislation by ensuring the opportunity for its review by actors ranging from State officials to members of the public.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There is the idea that with enough emails,phone calls,faxes and other things they might be forced into doing what we want them to do. ONe of those ideas at least the idea of posting the bill 72 hours before they vote on in it is being pushed.


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    H.Res.554: Amending the Rules of the House of... OpenCongress

    This resolution would require that the full text of House legislation and accompanying committee reports be continuously posted on the Internet. Moreover it seeks to establish a policy prohibiting the House from voting on legislation until 72 hours after its text is made available to Congress members and the general public.

    The billís stated purpose is to enhance public participation and improve the quality of proposed legislation by ensuring the opportunity for its review by actors ranging from State officials to members of the public.
    Ok, I never said posting it wouldn't work I said having them read the entire things wouldn't work...

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Ok, I never said posting it wouldn't work I said having them read the entire things wouldn't work...
    Perhaps giving them adequate time to read a bill before voting on it is the first step.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Perhaps giving them adequate time to read a bill before voting on it is the first step.
    One of many, I'm not going to repeat what I've said three times already so if you want to know why this won't work just look at previous posts.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Ok, I never said posting it wouldn't work I said having them read the entire things wouldn't work...
    A requirement to read every bit of legislation that crosses their desk before they vote on it would prevent any attempts to use "I didn't read it" as an excuse when confronted about how they voted on something.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    A requirement to read every bit of legislation that crosses their desk before they vote on it would prevent any attempts to use "I didn't read it" as an excuse when confronted about how they voted on something.
    No one uses "I didn't read it" now, they say things like "I thought it would turn out differently" or some other bs statement,

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There is the idea that with enough emails,phone calls,faxes and other things they might be forced into doing what we want them to do. ONe of those ideas at least the idea of posting the bill 72 hours before they vote on in it is being pushed.


    Read The Bill: Endorsements


    H.Res.554: Amending the Rules of the House of... OpenCongress

    This resolution would require that the full text of House legislation and accompanying committee reports be continuously posted on the Internet. Moreover it seeks to establish a policy prohibiting the House from voting on legislation until 72 hours after its text is made available to Congress members and the general public.

    The billís stated purpose is to enhance public participation and improve the quality of proposed legislation by ensuring the opportunity for its review by actors ranging from State officials to members of the public.
    James no how could you! Did you just suggest that the congress and senate should work for the people instead of it control the people? That would be following the constitution, we can't limit the governments power... if we do that we'll never be able to pay for such gems such as... Bridges to no where, socialized medicine, cap and trade. You know, concepts that other countries have tried and failed with like Spain or the entire continent of Australia? But that's off topic...

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The billís stated purpose is to enhance public participation and improve the quality of proposed legislation by ensuring the opportunity for its review by actors ranging from State officials to members of the public.
    Enhance public participation?

    Like the participation that they will ignore?

    Politicians these days call YOU and tell YOU which bill to support instead of ASKING you which bill to support.
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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