View Poll Results: What Has Influenced Your Thinking?

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    33 52.38%
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    37 58.73%
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    51 80.95%
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    26 41.27%
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    Re: What Has Influenced Your Views?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That is a lie. A bald-faced lie. For one thing, most meterologists are dubious at best about man-made global warming. Do they not count as scientists? This 99.9 percent is an outragous falsehood. Even if it were so, and it isn't, there was a time when 99.9% of scientists believed in Ether and a preferred absolute reference frame...Einstein and Michealson/Morely blew that out of the water.

    Not only is he a troll, he's a lying troll.
    I'll tell you what, if you can show where "most meterologists are dubious at best about man-made global warming", I'll accept the "lying troll" label and ban myself for a month.

    Otherwise take the insults to the dungeon, mkay?

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    Re: What Has Influenced Your Views?

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_global_warming_consens us]List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


    Less Than Half of Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory | NewsBusters.org
    Less Than Half of Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory
    By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive)
    August 29, 2007 - 14:01 ET


    Consensus? What consensus?

    A new survey about to be published by the journal Energy and Environment finds that less than 50 percent of the scientific papers written about climate change since 2004 have endorsed the view that man's activities are causing global warming.

    Think Katie, Charlie, and Brian will be discussing this tonight?

    As reported by DailyTech Wednesday (emphasis added throughout):


    Medical researcher Dr. Klaus-Martin Schulte recently updated this research. Using the same database and search terms as [history professor Naomi] Oreskes, he examined all papers published from 2004 to February 2007. The results have been submitted to the journal Energy and Environment, of which DailyTech has obtained a pre-publication copy. The figures are surprising.

    Of 528 total papers on climate change, only 38 (7%) gave an explicit endorsement of the consensus. If one considers "implicit" endorsement (accepting the consensus without explicit statement), the figure rises to 45%. However, while only 32 papers (6%) reject the consensus outright, the largest category (48%) are neutral papers, refusing to either accept or reject the hypothesis. This is no "consensus."

    Think someone will be interviewing Al Gore in the next couple of days to get his view on this? Or James Hansen? Or any of the global warming alarmists?

    But I digress:


    The figures are even more shocking when one remembers the watered-down definition of consensus here. Not only does it not require supporting that man is the "primary" cause of warming, but it doesn't require any belief or support for "catastrophic" global warming. In fact of all papers published in this period (2004 to February 2007), only a single one makes any reference to climate change leading to catastrophic results.
    [...]

    Schulte's survey contradicts the United Nation IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report (2007), which gave a figure of "90% likely" man was having an impact on world temperatures. But does the IPCC represent a consensus view of world scientists? Despite media claims of "thousands of scientists" involved in the report, the actual text is written by a much smaller number of "lead authors."
    A climate science organization that disagrees with much of what passes for popular GW theory:

    Welcome to the International Climate Science Coalition Web Site


    Nowhere close to a 99.9% consensus.

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    Re: What Has Influenced Your Views?

    Okay, so you lost the bet, since you best argument (the "published papers" newsbusters story) wasn't even close:

    Of 528 total papers on climate change, only 38 (7%) gave an explicit endorsement of the consensus. If one considers "implicit" endorsement (accepting the consensus without explicit statement), the figure rises to 45%. However only 32 papers (6%) reject the consensus outright...


    Now I've been nice guy and not called you names or even reported your slander towards me, hardly something a "troll" would do.
    I will ask that you refrain from starting something that will only finish badly for you, deal?

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    Re: What Has Influenced Your Views?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    Okay, so you lost the bet, since you best argument (the "published papers" newsbusters story) wasn't even close:



    Now I've been nice guy and not called you names or even reported your slander towards me, hardly something a "troll" would do.
    I will ask that you refrain from starting something that will only finish badly for you, deal?

    You obviously failed to note this part:


    Of 528 total papers on climate change, only 38 (7%) gave an explicit endorsement of the consensus. If one considers "implicit" endorsement (accepting the consensus without explicit statement), the figure rises to 45%.
    Far from the 99.9% you claim.

    It isn't slander if it is true.


    Okay, I don't wish to give offense...how about "annoying person who disingenuously misappropriates the facts frequently."

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    Re: What Has Influenced Your Views?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You obviously failed to note this part:
    Far from the 99.9% you claim.

    It isn't slander if it is true.
    Well somewhere between my "99%" and your "majority of meteorologists" is the truth, so we'll agree to disagee.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I don't wish to give offense...how about "annoying person who disingenuously misappropriates the facts frequently."
    That's fine, I've been called much worse from people I like much more.

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    Re: What Has Influenced Your Views?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    Well somewhere between my "99%" and your "majority of meteorologists" is the truth, so we'll agree to disagee.

    Of 528 total papers on climate change, only 38 (7%) gave an explicit endorsement of the consensus. If one considers "implicit" endorsement (accepting the consensus without explicit statement), the figure rises to 45%. However, while only 32 papers (6%) reject the consensus outright, the largest category (48%) are neutral papers, refusing to either accept or reject the hypothesis. This is no "consensus."
    48%+6%=54%, enough to make a majority. Unless, you're only going to count studies specifically by meteorologists, I think this shows that the majority of published scientists have been dubious at best.

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    Re: What Has Influenced Your Views?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsavich View Post
    48%+6%=54%, enough to make a majority. Unless, you're only going to count studies specifically by meteorologists, I think this shows that the majority of published scientists have been dubious at best.
    Now, now. Unless you examine that 48% closely enough, you can't be sure whether they are positioned for it or against it but are waiting for more information. No way to really know that unless you look at that 48% of 528 papers.
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    Re: What Has Influenced Your Views?

    Unless you're qualified in the sciences needed to judge 'global warming', nobody here has the expertise to tell who is lying or who is telling the truth, no matter how many 'link-o-ramas' are provided for either 'side' that 'prove' your opinions on the issue, nor does it matter how many pages of playing 'I Touched You Last!!!!" until one side drops from boredom or exhaustion is campaigned through. Just accept there are differing opinions on the matter. Is that so hard? ...

    Back to the OP, many of the choices are inter-related; parenting and 'childhood experiences' and education are certainly inter-related, as is 'current events', so I checked multiple entries. All of them matter.

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    Re: What Has Influenced Your Views?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    For me several things stand out.

    I was very fortunate, though I didn't think so at the time, to have limited contact with other kids my age growing up. This wasn't a planned thing, just a matter of the neighborhood we lived in. The result of this was that I realized something that I don't think a lot of my peers did. That is, the older people weren't stupid -- stupidity was a luxury most of them couldn't have afforded in the 1930's and 40's, and youth, being perforce inexperienced, was more likely to be in error.

    That led to the conclusion that Conservatism, being based on ideas that had been tried over many generations would usually present more functional solutions than Liberalism, with its embrace of "new," or more often, new-seeming ideas.

    I also take pains to consider the opposite poles as it were, of Human Nature. So when a political or social approach is suggested to me, I carefully consider not only how it might operate for the ennobled members of Society, but what opportunities it presents for the debased.

    Experience has taught me that nobility in each individual fails at one time or another, but debasement is tireless.

    Another thing that has shaped my views is a revulsion with moral stands that cost the one who espouses them little or nothing, but create detrimental results that will fall on others.

    An example of this is the oh-so-grand position taken by certain people that persons known to be withholding information about planned terrorist attacks should not be forcefully interrogated. Such people hold a position that they think virtuous, in the near certainty that if someone dies in the planned attack, it won't be themselves.


    There is more of course, much more really. But I think I've given the flavor of the process that led to my political beliefs.
    The Founders knew all this too, and that's why they believed in the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law"]Natural Law[/ame] (i.e, John Locke).
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    Re: What Has Influenced Your Views?

    Quote Originally Posted by Picaro View Post
    Unless you're qualified in the sciences needed to judge 'global warming', nobody here has the expertise to tell who is lying or who is telling the truth, no matter how many 'link-o-ramas' are provided for either 'side' that 'prove' your opinions on the issue, nor does it matter how many pages of playing 'I Touched You Last!!!!" until one side drops from boredom or exhaustion is campaigned through. Just accept there are differing opinions on the matter. Is that so hard? ...
    Sorry, but the facts are in, despite a handful of TV weathermen.

    I still find it shocking that so many want to deny reality.

    If ten doctors examined your child and nine said he/she needed a heart transplant, I seriously doubt you would go on without a care because there wasn't a 100% consensus.

    This tiny blue ball is it folks, there's no place to go if you're wrong.
    If we don't start making big changes now, we've sealed our childrens fate.

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