View Poll Results: Recreational Drugs vs. Performance Enhancing Drugs

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  • Legalize recreational drugs, keep PEDs illegal

    2 8.33%
  • Legalize PEDs, keep recreational drugs illegal

    2 8.33%
  • Legalize them both-Athletic companies may not prohibit PED use

    1 4.17%
  • Legalize them both-Athletic companies may choose to prohibit PED use

    10 41.67%
  • Keep both illegal

    8 33.33%
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Thread: Recreational drugs vs. Performance enhancing drugs

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    Re: Recreational drugs vs. Performance enhancing drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    There are so many holes in your argument, I don't know where to begin.

    First fan feel cheated, because the athletes are cheating.
    Athletes are "cheating" because of violation of presently existing rules. Obviously, rule modifications would render behaviors previously considered "cheating" permissible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Putting their health at risk for the sole purpose of making more money or breaking records. Is that what sports have become? Say you have a kid who's a great high school athlete and want to pursue it farther, but will not get anywhere without taking roids. Would you be okay with that? Especially considering the consequences of using (and this is only short-term effects):
    Does not professional athletic competition already result in various health risks and does not professional athletic competition already eliminate the majority of individuals as a result of their lack of sufficient skills or abilities?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Here's a lot more info on the ill-effects of steroids:

    Anabolic steroid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Wikipedia? I consulted Wikipedia quickly and I'll of course look at more links later, but can you immediately cite any peer-reviewed work that indicates that anabolic steroids have health risks significant enough to warrant their criminalization? The literature on HGH is even sparser, so if you can't find anything regarding the former, I don't have high hopes for the latter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    So I ask again... would you want your kid to be pressured into taking this drug in order to pursue his athletic dream???
    We're going to need something more substantive than the "kids, drugs are BAD, mmkay?" talking point. It's simply not the case that all recreational drugs are massively harmful and it's certainly not the case that all performance enhancing substances result in inevitable health deficiencies. There is, however, significant exaggeration about the health effects of such substances from prohibitionist lobbies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    You got to be kidding me, LOL. Vitamins???

    It's like claiming an athlete is cheating because he eats all of his veggies, LOL. Give me a break.
    We're merely referring to performance enhancement. Objections to artificial performance enhancement are of course rather inconsistent in that various vitamin tablets and supplements are permissible, but other performance enhancing supplements are not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    They are legal, because taking extra vitamin C will not make you hit more homies.
    Again, can you cite a reliable empirical source that indicates the "roid rage" effect is indeed a general consequence of anabolic steroid use that is relatively widespread?

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    Re: Recreational drugs vs. Performance enhancing drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I once heard Stallone quoted in support of HGH, claiming that unless it was abused, it had no lasting negative side effects.

    Any truth to that?
    I think it remains to be seen. Its a relatively new PED(not really new, but new in its popularity amongst athletes) that not many athletic companies test for. I don't even know if they can test for it yet.
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    Re: Recreational drugs vs. Performance enhancing drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I think it remains to be seen. Its a relatively new PED(not really new, but new in its popularity amongst athletes) that not many athletic companies test for. I don't even know if they can test for it yet.
    Does it make your dick shrink, give you testi-cancer of want to rip a baby in half, or what?

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    Re: Recreational drugs vs. Performance enhancing drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Does it make your dick shrink, give you testi-cancer of want to rip a baby in half, or what?
    I have no personal experience with HGH, so I couldn't say. If it makes your penis smaller, just counter that with extenze. Ripping babies in half, you don't need steroids to feel like doing that.
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    Re: Recreational drugs vs. Performance enhancing drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I have no personal experience with HGH, so I couldn't say. If it makes your penis smaller, just counter that with extenze. Ripping babies in half, you don't need steroids to feel like doing that.
    Spoken like a man with children, or everyone else in the theater when the infant starts crying.

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    Re: Recreational drugs vs. Performance enhancing drugs

    Hey, it's not my body, let the athletes ruin their health if they want.

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    Re: Recreational drugs vs. Performance enhancing drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Does it make your dick shrink, give you testi-cancer of want to rip a baby in half, or what?
    Actually, steroids themselves don't make your dick shrink. The androgenic effects make your balls shrink...if that makes you feel better.

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    Re: Recreational drugs vs. Performance enhancing drugs

    On recreational drugs I have expressed my opinion a few times. I tend to favor keeping them illegal, but don't feel strongly about it. I know from my drug problems first hand how damaging even supposedly soft drugs are.

    On performance enhancing drugs, I am strongly against legalization. As a pro wrestling fan, rarely does a month go by without the death of another wrestler who died young from the results of these drugs. Pro Wrestler's Deaths This link contains a list of wrestler deaths. Note how long the list is, and how many died before age 50. Pro wrestling has long been a hotbed of PEDs, both for the improved look, and to help heal without surgery.

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    Re: Recreational drugs vs. Performance enhancing drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Actually, steroids themselves don't make your dick shrink. The androgenic effects make your balls shrink...if that makes you feel better.

    Maybe I should take them then, since my balls are only ornamental anyways.

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    Re: Recreational drugs vs. Performance enhancing drugs

    Voted to legalized both, and sports leagues may retain the prerogative to prohibit or allow performance enhancing drugs as they see fit.

    If I am not competing in sports against unaugmented athletes, I should be able to use performance enhancing drugs in order to facilitate my self-improvement efforts. If a drug could reduce recovery time between workouts, reduce the effects of muscle fatigue, or strengthen muscle fibers, bones, and connective tissues I would take it in a heartbeat. When more effective noötropics are developed, I'll be first in line for experimental usage. Already, I am curious about the effects that off-label Aricept has on the memory functions of people without Alzheimer's. Only reasons I'm not taking Modafinil are I can't convince a local doctor I have narcolepsy and can't particularly afford the medicine, not to mention the dysfunctions I am currently experiencing in my sleep cycle and cognitive functioning.

    Similar concerns keep me from inquiring seriously about anabolic steroids, especially since I know I'd have better luck on the black market than from scamming scrips. I don't trust professional criminals for my pharmaceutical problems unless I have no choice.

    Personally, I'm waiting for the development of next-generation performance enhancers that directly stimulate muscle, bone, and neuron formation. I'd move to some horrible Third World country without pharmaceutical regulations and start making "energy drinks" immediately.

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