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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    No, I obviously meant natural.
    In nature, you need both a male and a female for reproduction.
    Reproduction is the continuance of life.
    A gay couple cannot reproduce.
    And that's why homosexuality isn't natural.

    That's my opinion, anyway.
    Yeah but reproduction isn't the only possible purpose of marriage. And it's not like we have some kind of population shortage.

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    Yeah but reproduction isn't the only possible purpose of marriage. And it's not like we have some kind of population shortage.
    You've missed my point.
    It has nothing to do with the current population, it is unnatural in my opinion.
    And legalizing gay marriage means that we look at Homosexuality as if it's the same as a female and a male kind of union.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    To deny people equal access to legal rights (or privileges) is indeed stupid and evil because it is causing suffering for no good reason.
    Marriage is not a right, and tou can deny privileges thats why they are privileges. Also is it really a privilege for Gays to get married, I would think they can come up with their own unique concept and not take a religious one.

    That doesn't mean the people themselves are 100% stupid or evil, as I believe there are many kinds of intelligence and that evil people do not really exist, only evil actions.
    Well that is your opinion, and you are entitled to it.


    Meaning in marriage cannot and should not be defined on an institutional level.
    Fine lets have everyone have civil unions, and leave marriage for the religious or those who want to be traditionalists.

    It means many things to different people. The meaning in their marriage is in not actually undermined by the marriages of immoral people. If they believe that, they are projecting.
    What ever it is, marriage is a cultural religous concept it shouldnt be changed for a minorty.


    I knew we would find an impasse there. Just remember that symbols aren't as important as real people.
    Symbols are very important sometime more important then men. The highest honor for a soldier was to carry the colors, the symbol of our great nation. A symbol of the blood spilled in the pursuit of freedom and independence. It is not just a flag it is the combined essence of our great nation.

    Hell yeah they do.
    What?


    If somebody finds dressing up like a cow fun, then more power to them. That sort of "stupidity" is inconsequential. But when their stupidity leads them to oppress others under the banner of democracy and religion, then it becomes an evil sort of stupidity.
    Well we obviously disagree, you have a right to your opinion and I to mine.


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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You've missed my point.
    It has nothing to do with the current population, it is unnatural in my opinion.
    And legalizing gay marriage means that we look at Homosexuality as if it's the same as a female and a male kind of union.
    I'm sure churches won't see it the same, just as Mormons don't see non-temple marriages as the same, and just as religious people initially didn't for interracial marriages.

    Your point is it's unnatural, but what if I were to tell you that natural has nothing to do with bad or good? Or perhaps you could explain to me what "natural" has to do with bad or good?

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Marriage is more cultural than religious in my opinion.
    Religion didn't invent marriage, it just applied religious laws to it when religion was invented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    Your point is it's unnatural, but what if I were to tell you that natural has nothing to do with bad or good? Or perhaps you could explain to me what "natural" has to do with bad or good?
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Marriage is not a right, and tou can deny privileges thats why they are privileges.
    Why don't you think marriage is a right? People have the right to form contracts, do they not?

    Even if it weren't a right, you don't deny privileges on an arbitrary basis though. Driving is a privilege. Does that mean it would be okay to deny black people the right to drive? No.

    Also is it really a privilege for Gays to get married, I would think they can come up with their own unique concept and not take a religious one.
    As you well know, marriage is strictly, or even primarily, a religious term these days.

    Fine lets have everyone have civil unions, and leave marriage for the religious or those who want to be traditionalists.
    Yeah that'd be fine.

    What ever it is, marriage is a cultural religous concept it shouldnt be changed for a minorty.
    This is what we call tyranny of the majority, and it's why we have equal protection clauses. Atheists call themselves married when they get married by a justice of the peace. That's why religious people will ask, "Oh what church did you get married at," in order to find out if the person is one of them and is married in the sense they believe in.

    Symbols are very important sometime more important then men. The highest honor for a soldier was to carry the colors, the symbol of our great nation. A symbol of the blood spilled in the pursuit of freedom and independence. It is not just a flag it is the combined essence of our great nation.
    I'm sorry but that just sounds insane to me. I value people.

    What?
    Initially forgot to delete one of your responses that I wasn't going to respond to.


    Well we obviously disagree, you have a right to your opinion and I to mine.
    I didn't expect to change your opinion. If anybody's opinion were changed, they'd most likely be lurking and were on the fence.

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If we wanted to live a fake life we'd give up our bodies and live in machines or an imaginative world.
    Haven't you watched Matrix?
    A fake life? lol... I think it's a bit of a stretch to equate natural with genuine in this case.

    Okay, let me put it this way. The technology that makes our lives better. It's not natural. Natural would be foraging in the forest with a tribe of hunter-gatherers and arguing with the other tribe whether your wind god can kick their rain god's ass, and proving who is right by throwing spears at them.

    Take that a few steps further. I don't believe in an afterlife, so any pathway to a longer, better life or immortality would be good, natural or not. Most likely this would require us to do very unnatural things (no, not gay sex), even more extreme than mastering the manipulation of our DNA... though probably not in my lifetime. I will probably cease to exist someday.

    That's all a bit off-topic. You come with the assumption that unnatural is bad, and I still don't get it. (:
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    A fake life? lol... I think it's a bit of a stretch to equate natural with genuine in this case.

    Okay, let me put it this way. The technology that makes our lives better. It's not natural. Natural would be foraging in the forest with a tribe of hunter-gatherers and arguing with the other tribe whether your wind god can kick their rain god's ass, and proving who is right by throwing spears at them.

    Take that a few steps further. I don't believe in an afterlife, so any pathway to a longer, better life or immortality would be good, natural or not. Most likely this would require us to do very unnatural things (no, not gay sex), even more extreme than mastering the manipulation of our DNA... though probably not in my lifetime. I will probably cease to exist someday.

    That's all a bit off-topic. You come with the assumption that unnatural is bad, and I still don't get it. (:
    Your analogies are way off the line.
    By unnatural I've meant that homosexuality prevents the couple from reproducing their genes and creating new lives.
    It is bad not simply because it is unnatural, but because it damages the circularity of life.

    On a side note, the immortality thing is a whole different subject, and since there is no proof that science can make us immortal, I don't see why should we bother and debate about it.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Your analogies are way off the line.
    By unnatural I've meant that homosexuality prevents the couple from reproducing their genes and creating new lives.
    It is bad not simply because it is unnatural, but because it damages the circularity of life.

    On a side note, the immortality thing is a whole different subject, and since there is no proof that science can make us immortal, I don't see why should we bother and debate about it.
    So then you feel it is wrong or unnatural for infertile people to get married? They won't be reproducing.

    Personally, I would rather the Mormons reproduce a bit less, seems like they wouldn't mind that the people they want to oppress reproduce a bit less too. (:
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