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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
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    And I've been trying to figure the 2nd question out myself. Perhaps you can explain what the majority will lose when gays can get married?
    Perhaps we should force Christians to use a Mennorah on Christmas too.
    Or have Bar Mitvahs performed by Priests.
    The term marriage has a definition and it doesnt involve Same Gender.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Perhaps we should force Christians to use a Mennorah on Christmas too.
    That would only be relevant if you assumed that legalizing gay marriage would mean that churches would have to marry gay people. I hope you don't think that, because it would contradict the precedent set by the fall of anti-miscegenation laws.

    The term marriage has a definition and it doesnt involve Same Gender.
    The majority's desire to keep a definition the same doesn't outweigh a minority's meaningful access to marriage.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    That would only be relevant if you assumed that legalizing gay marriage would mean that churches would have to marry gay people.
    No but it would destroy the definition of marriage and its holiness in the eyes of religious people. I am not religious but I care about peoples rights to their culture and it being protected.





    The majority's desire to keep a definition the same doesn't outweigh a minority's meaningful access to marriage.

    Marriage is not a right, Civil Unions on the other hand are. Given that they are the same in practical terms, there is no need to force this issue. There are more important Gay right issues to tackle like dont ask dont tell which is the most idiotic and discriminatory practice concieved.


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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    No but it would destroy the definition of marriage and its holiness in the eyes of religious people. I am not religious but I care about peoples rights to their culture and it being protected.
    This is why I said tangible. Devotion to a symbol to the extent that you pretend so-called disrespect to it actually harms you is pathologically stupid, verging on evil. It's comparable to the Muslims who got upset over the Dutch cartoonist disrespecting their prophet (but violent ones, of course, are a few steps further into stupidity). Closer to home, it's like buying a flag and burning it and people being ready to beat you up or throw you in jail over it. It's ridiculous and I hope you know it.

    But your response puzzles me even beyond such differences. Do celebrities with frivilous marriages destroy the sanctity of their marriages? Does the fact that atheists can get married make them feel their marriages are worth less? Somehow, when a this particular group they consider immoral comes up, suddenly they feel like their marriages are being personally dismantled. It's really sad and paradoxical.

    If they don't like gays they don't have to marry them or even have them in their churches.

    Marriage is not a right, Civil Unions on the other hand are. Given that they are the same in practical terms, there is no need to force this issue. There are more important Gay right issues to tackle like dont ask dont tell which is the most idiotic and discriminatory practice concieved.
    Equal protection under the law is what is a right, and marriage is in the realm of the law.

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I will vote for anything that represents "freedom and justice FOR ALL".
    So, you would vote to abolish Affirmative Action?

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    I dunno.
    Legalizing gay marriage means homosexuality is completely natural, a theory that I kinda oppose.
    Yet, I wouldn't want to prevent rights from people, so I'd just avoid voting.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    This is why I said tangible. Devotion to a symbol to the extent that you pretend so-called disrespect to it actually harms you is pathologically stupid, verging on evil.

    You can call them stupid or evil, but you are mistaken. It is your devotion to a word that is stupid and insulting. They actually see meaning in Marriage while for you its a way to get at the evil ones who have oppressed you. Move on find a real cause, and there are many.

    It's comparable to the Muslims who got upset over the Dutch cartoonist disrespecting their prophet (but violent ones, of course, are a few steps further into stupidity).
    They have a right to be upset, they dont have a right to call for murder of the artist or riot like madmen, such behavior does not happen in the US.

    Closer to home, it's like buying a flag and burning it and people being ready to beat you up or throw you in jail over it. It's ridiculous and I hope you know it.
    No sir, burning the flag is an insult a very serious one. Not only to civlian patriots but to the men and women sworn to protect the people and the flag which represents them.

    But your response puzzles me even beyond such differences. Do celebrities with frivilous marriages destroy the sanctity of their marriages?
    Hell yeah they do.

    Does the fact that atheists can get married make them feel their marriages are worth less?
    No, it is actually a positive in the eyes of Religion as it at least gives some hope of coming to God. I view many things as dumb, including dressing up on Hollaween but I wouldnt force my views on others just because I dont like something.

    Somehow, when a this particular group they consider immoral comes up, suddenly they feel like their marriages are being personally dismantled. It's really sad and paradoxical.
    Really it is quiet rational.

    If they don't like gays they don't have to marry them or even have them in their churches.
    And they can also try and protect a word that has holy meaning.

    Equal protection under the law is what is a right, and marriage is in the realm of the law.
    Marriage is not a right, it is a term.

    its like calling Protein shakes Medicen.


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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I dunno.
    Legalizing gay marriage means homosexuality is completely natural, a theory that I kinda oppose.
    Yet, I wouldn't want to prevent rights from people, so I'd just avoid voting.
    It's probably false that "natural" can be equated with "good," which is the impression I get from your post. I'm not sure why it matters what's natural.

    I also am not sure how allowing people to get married would indicate that they are normal or natural. Plenty of weird people get married.

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    It's probably false that "natural" can be equated with "good," which is the impression I get from your post. I'm not sure why it matters what's natural.

    I also am not sure how allowing people to get married would indicate that they are normal or natural. Plenty of weird people get married.
    No, I obviously meant natural.
    In nature, you need both a male and a female for reproduction.
    Reproduction is the continuance of life.
    A gay couple cannot reproduce.
    And that's why homosexuality isn't natural.

    That's my opinion, anyway.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    You can call them stupid or evil, but you are mistaken
    To deny people equal access to legal rights (or privileges) is indeed stupid and evil because it is causing suffering for no good reason. That doesn't mean the people themselves are 100% stupid or evil, as I believe there are many kinds of intelligence and that evil people do not really exist, only evil actions.
    It is your devotion to a word that is stupid and insulting. They actually see meaning in Marriage while for you its a way to get at the evil ones who have oppressed you. Move on find a real cause, and there are many.
    I'm not gay. They haven't really oppressed me. I feel strongly about many causes.

    Meaning in marriage cannot and should not be defined on an institutional level. It means many things to different people. The meaning in their marriage is not actually undermined by the marriages of immoral people. If they believe that, they are projecting.

    They have a right to be upset, they dont have a right to call for murder of the artist or riot like madmen, such behavior does not happen in the US.
    I don't have a serious problem with them peacefully protesting, but it is stupid. Why can't they just shrug and say, "Surely Allah has prepared a boiling pot of oil for the hypocrites and the unbelievers. And Allah is merciful, benevolent."

    No sir, burning the flag is an insult a very serious one. Not only to civlian patriots but to the men and women sworn to protect the people and the flag which represents them.
    I knew we would find an impasse there. Just remember that symbols aren't as important as real people.

    No, it is actually a positive in the eyes of Religion as it at least gives some hope of coming to God. I view many things as dumb, including dressing up on Hollaween but I wouldnt force my views on others just because I dont like something.
    Two atheists getting married bears no correlation to them "coming to god." Marriage has nothing to do with god for them, it's about being with the other person, and often kids. Faithless adults who are alone and isolated are more likely to feel a need clutch onto imaginary friends, unless they happened to marry a religious person. In that case marriage is indeed likely to cause their conversion.

    If somebody finds dressing up like a cow fun, then more power to them. That sort of "stupidity" is inconsequential. But when their stupidity leads them to oppress others under the banner of democracy and religion, then it becomes an evil sort of stupidity.
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