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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Of course! Only some homophobic freak would say no
    Homophobic freak? Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron? I think it's rather normal for people not to feel comfortable around sodomites.

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What's any of this have to do with marriage, which is primarily a social function

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    So what? The biological function is fulfilled quite handily by boinking in the bushes. In the old days if the father of the result of that boinking didn't want to stick around, he didn't, just like today. The social function evolved as a means of formally identifying property and lineages.

    Fact of the matter is that it's no one's business who marries whom, or how they're constructed, or if they have children, or if they don't. Clearly if the purpose of marriage was to "make babies", we wouldn't have over-the-counter, out-of-the-vending-machine contraception.

    That could be considered a self-contradictory argument.

    If marriage is a social issue, then how can it be possible for a social issue to be nobody's business? Society implies that more people are involved, intrested, concerned, looking-on, etc than just you.

    What two consenting adults do in their bedroom is private. Marriage, as you said, is a social institution... and social means that other people have an intrest in it.

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    I'll even give you a for-instance about the social aspects of marriage.

    In the 1930's up to the 1950's, divorce was rare. Most people considered it all but unthinkable.

    Why?

    Divorces were harder to get, generally... but that isn't why there was a sort of emotional repulsion to the idea, and a social stigma.

    "It simply wasn't done." Hardly anyone knew anyone who had been divorced. Nobody wanted to be the "town divorcee" with the stigma that attached to it.

    If you grew up in post-60's America to Boomer parents, the odds are 50/50 your parents were divorced, or got divorced. The odds are you knew lots of kids whose parents were or got divorced. With divorce so commonplace, the idea that YOU might one day get divorced is hardly a great intellectual leap.

    Most likely one of the reasons we have such a high divorce rate is that once it become somewhat common, and the social stigma eroded, it became "thinkable" and "doable" and thus became ever more common. Not saying that's the sole cause, but certainly one of them.

    "No one is an island." Social institutions like marriage have an effect on society as a whole, so they are to some degree the concern of society as a whole.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Of course. I would however say it is the primary function...if you believe in evolution it is the sine qua non of species survival, in fact.
    Reproduction is certainly a main function, and arguably is the primary function. Reproduction is not the only function of sex.

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    Homosexual activity is found in birds, in monkeys, and even the great apes.

    The bonobo, an African ape closely related to humans, has an even bigger sexual appetite. Studies suggest 75 percent of bonobo sex is nonreproductive and that nearly all bonobos are bisexual. Frans de Waal, author of Bonobo: The Forgotten Ape, calls the species a "make love, not war" primate. He believes bonobos use sex to resolve conflicts between individuals.
    The "unnatural" argument regarding homosexuality fails on the evidence of the natural world.

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That could be considered a self-contradictory argument.
    No.

    What you said could be construed as failure to conform to standard uses of basic English, like taking things in their proper context.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If marriage is a social issue, then how can it be possible for a social issue to be nobody's business?
    Because I'm not a lawyer, I speak english freely and accurately enough for usage here.

    The function of marriage is to publicly announce a formally recognize pair bond, which traditionally carries penalties to outsiders who seek to poach. Naturally, as anyone can see, a marriage in itself is public to that extent. But the decission of who marries who is, in modern culture, up to the individuals foolish enough to tie the knot.

    So you're trying to construct an imaginary contradiction because you can't find a real one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    What two consenting adults do in their bedroom is private. Marriage, as you said, is a social institution... and social means that other people have an intrest in it.
    It doesn't mean they have the right to interfere. A marriage is an announcement that interference is not permissible.

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    55% of the general adult public opposes same gender marriages.

    100% of moderators so far support gay marriage.

    25% of members on this forum oppose gay marriages.

    Above the thread like all above all threads is:

    “This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every ones position on topics equally.”

    Interesting.

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin
    In the 1930's up to the 1950's, divorce was rare. Most people considered it all but unthinkable.

    Why?

    Divorces were harder to get, generally... but that isn't why there was a sort of emotional repulsion to the idea, and a social stigma.
    While you're absolutely right, it was a good thing that divorces were harder to get as well. Even going beyond the social stigma, it genuinely hurt to get a divorce, as it ought to hurt today. The idea that you can walk into a marriage, soak up all sorts of social, legal and monetary benefits, and the second the going gets the slightest bit rough, just walk away from it with no muss and no fuss is ludicrous. Marriage ought to be hard to get into, harder to get out of and socially awkward to ignore.

    If you grew up in post-60's America to Boomer parents, the odds are 50/50 your parents were divorced, or got divorced. The odds are you knew lots of kids whose parents were or got divorced. With divorce so commonplace, the idea that YOU might one day get divorced is hardly a great intellectual leap.

    Most likely one of the reasons we have such a high divorce rate is that once it become somewhat common, and the social stigma eroded, it became "thinkable" and "doable" and thus became ever more common. Not saying that's the sole cause, but certainly one of them.

    "No one is an island." Social institutions like marriage have an effect on society as a whole, so they are to some degree the concern of society as a whole.
    But marriage didn't change appreciably to make people think divorce was fine and dandy, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. My parents were married for 37 years before my father died. My wife's parents have been married for almost 50 years. If you're brought up with that kind of mindset where divorce is unacceptable except in the most extreme circumstances, the chances you'll get a divorce are minimal at best because you'll take more time choosing a partner and more time working through any problems you run into. That's why my wife and I have been married for almost 17 years now and still going very strong. Divorce simply is not an option.

    Perhaps it's the generation after mine that fell into the "just do it" and "hang loose" trap, where caring about yourself became more important than caring about anyone else, where self-esteem and self-worth outweigh personal responsibility and social obligations. But that really has nothing to do with gay marriage, certainly it wasn't the homosexuals that caused marriage to fall apart, that bomb lands straight in the lap of heterosexuals who got self-involved to the point that they just couldn't care less about anyone else for longer than a few months or years.

    If there's anyone to blame for things, it sure isn't gays, I've seen plenty of people try to thrust blame on them though, which is outright ridiculous.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    55% of the general adult public opposes same gender marriages.

    100% of moderators so far support gay marriage.

    25% of members on this forum oppose gay marriages.

    Above the thread like all above all threads is:

    “This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every ones position on topics equally.”

    Interesting.
    Were you trying to make a point or earn a 6a infraction?

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post

    Interesting.
    What the hell is so interesting about that?

    Is there a point that i have missed?


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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    55% of the general adult public opposes same gender marriages.

    100% of moderators so far support gay marriage.

    25% of members on this forum oppose gay marriages.

    Above the thread like all above all threads is:

    “This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every ones position on topics equally.”

    Interesting.
    Where are you getting these numbers from? You really are a piece of work.

    Regarding the poll - lack of choice, yet again. The options do not support everyone's stance. As I have stated before, I do not approve of gay marriage, but I would not vote for a ban of it (or an amendment to the Constitution either). It is also a state's rights issue and not a federal issue, but that's an entirely different conversation altogether.
    Last edited by RedAkston; 07-08-09 at 01:24 AM.

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