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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    Well, it might be unfair to call somebody a fool because they harbor a single foolish belief, but yes, it is foolish.

    This isn't the best wikipedia article, but it might help you get it:

    Appeal to nature - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It's no so much that it's foolish to argue about how natural or unnatural homosexuality is, it's foolish because it is morally irrelevant.
    If it's morally irrelevant it doesn't mean that it is foolish.
    In my opinion Liberalism is foolish, so basically every Liberal is a fool.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If it's morally irrelevant it doesn't mean that it is foolish.
    In my opinion Liberalism is foolish, so basically every Liberal is a fool.
    Your initial post in this thread stated that you would not vote yes, but rather would not vote, because you did not want to promote the idea that homosexuality is natural. You obviously equate natural with desirable, at the very least, and I can only assume you find homosexuality morally distasteful. So that is foolish, as appeal to nature is a fallacy.

    It's not a matter of opinion so much as logic...

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    Your initial post in this thread stated that you would not vote yes, but rather would not vote, because you did not want to promote the idea that homosexuality is natural. You obviously equate natural with desirable, at the very least, and I can only assume you find homosexuality morally distasteful. So that is foolish, as appeal to nature is a fallacy.

    It's not a matter of opinion so much as logic...
    In my opinion homosexuality is not natural.
    I do not care for what 'natural' means, whether it is right or wrong, in my opinion, it isn't natural, period.
    Now how is that foolish?
    Claiming that some people's thoughts and beliefs that differ than yours are foolish is just wrong.
    The only fools are the ones who do it.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    In my opinion homosexuality is not natural.
    I do not care for what 'natural' means, whether it is right or wrong, in my opinion, it isn't natural, period.
    Now how is that foolish?
    Claiming that some people's thoughts and beliefs that differ than yours are foolish is just wrong.
    The only fools are the ones who do it.
    It is important to try to get people to question their own views and analyze them critically, but you are correct that calling them a fool will mostly make them defensive and continue to say irrational things.

    If you do not think natural is relevant to what is right or wrong, then why do you care about it in terms of whether you will vote for homosexual marriage? That's the paradox here. It is possible to have a value-neutral debate about whether homosexuality is natural, but you did not present it that way.

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    It is important to try to get people to question their own views and analyze them critically, but you are correct that calling them a fool will mostly make them defensive and continue to say irrational things.

    If you do not think natural is relevant to what is right or wrong, then why do you care about it in terms of whether you will vote for homosexual marriage? That's the paradox here. It is possible to have a value-neutral debate about whether homosexuality is natural, but you did not present it that way.
    My belief is that homosexuality is not natural.
    I also believe that voting for gay marriage would counter my belief by legitimizing homosexuality as natural in the law.
    I do not appeal to the meaning of natural, but to my theory that it isn't natural, and to the fact that I would counter my own theory by voting for gay marriage.
    Why is it so hard to understand?
    Perhaps you should be questioning your own belief, before claiming that other people's beliefs are foolish, and only make yourself appear as a fool in the process.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    My belief is that homosexuality is not natural.
    I also believe that voting for gay marriage would counter my belief by legitimizing homosexuality as natural in the law.
    I do not appeal to the meaning of natural, but to my theory that it isn't natural, and to the fact that I would counter my own theory by voting for gay marriage.
    Why is it so hard to understand?
    Perhaps you should be questioning your own belief, before claiming that other people's beliefs are foolish, and only make yourself appear as a fool in the process.
    Look, if you are using the idea that homosexuality is not natural in order to decide to vote against gay rights, then you are appealing to nature and that is fallacious reasoning. There is no way around that.

    I could believe that X activity is unnatural, but since I know that whether something is natural or not is irrelevant, it would not affect my decision in voting.

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    Look, if you are using the idea that homosexuality is not natural in order to decide to vote against gay rights, then you are appealing to nature and that is fallacious reasoning. There is no way around that.

    I could believe that X activity is unnatural, but since I know that whether something is natural or not is irrelevant, it would not affect my decision in voting.
    Then you did not understand any of my 3 first sentences in the post that you have quoted.
    Good luck in the future, fool.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Then you did not understand any of my 3 first sentences in the post that you have quoted.
    Good luck in the future, fool.
    It appears we have communication barriers.

    Does anybody understand what me means? If so, can you rephrase what he said? (:

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    It appears we have communication barriers.

    Does anybody understand what me means? If so, can you rephrase what he said? (:
    The vote counters my theory that homosexuality ain't natural.
    I really can't see why would it be so hard for you to analyze this simple sentence.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The vote counters my theory that homosexuality ain't natural.
    I really can't see why would it be so hard for you to analyze this simple sentence.
    The vote on this forum isn't any more scientific or representative than a FOX news texting poll. If it were, it would still not show whether those people consider homosexuality natural or not, as many of them probably understand that what is natural has nothing to do with what should be allowed or disallowed.

    I suppose you could be just defending your theory and not caring about reality instead of arguing that because you believe homosexual marriage is unnatural it should be disallowed, but that would be illogical in a different way.

    It is true that what people believe is real in its consequences, so accepting homosexual marriage may push homosexuality more into what society considers "normal" or "natural." But since what is normal/natural is not something we should value, due to the appeal to nature fallacy, this should not affect your vote.

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