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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I would vote against any law that seeks to further regulate marriage.

    I would vote for a law that removed government from the regulation of marriage entirely.
    I like to use that argument to toy with people.

    "The government shouldn't be in the business of marriage at all, so of course I vote against gay-marriage."

    I also like "of course I'm voting 'no', gay-marriage doesn't affect me, so why would I support it?"

    I tell the peasants that I'm trolling when I do this just to see their reaction, but the truth is I'm showing that debater how their argument is self-defeating. Some, few, get it and make stronger arguments on facts which stand by themselves. The rest keep a quote of me saying 'I'm a troll' handy when they need an 'easy button' out of a conversation.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post

    I tell the peasants that I'm trolling when I do this just to see their reaction, but the truth is I'm showing that debater how their argument is self-defeating. Some, few, get it and make stronger arguments on facts which stand by themselves. The rest keep a quote of me saying 'I'm a troll' handy when they need an 'easy button' out of a conversation.
    The problem is you think too highly of your own arguments. Every time you have gotten into the gay marriage debate, your arguments are something of a joke to others. You have not actually ever successfully argued against gay marriage.

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The problem is you think too highly of your own arguments. Every time you have gotten into the gay marriage debate, your arguments are something of a joke to others. You have not actually ever successfully argued against gay marriage.
    This means you have fallen into Jerry's trap. He doesn't argue against gay marriage.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This means you have fallen into Jerry's trap. He doesn't argue against gay marriage.
    Nor does he argue for it. Shouldn't he then actually stay out of it, instead of trying to act superior?

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Nor does he argue for it. Shouldn't he then actually stay out of it, instead of trying to act superior?
    Jerry argues for GM, but from a specific position only. I am pro-GM and argue from a specific standpoint. Though our positions are similar, as you can see in my description, there are subtle nuances.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Jerry argues for GM, but from a specific position only. I am pro-GM and argue from a specific standpoint. Though our positions are similar, as you can see in my description, there are subtle nuances.
    Shouldn't you, if you are going to argue for or against something, actually make your position clear? The only position that is clear is that he wants to change the overall definition of marriage to make it about children, which would be an entirely separate argument.

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Shouldn't you, if you are going to argue for or against something, actually make your position clear? The only position that is clear is that he wants to change the overall definition of marriage to make it about children, which would be an entirely separate argument.
    I've debated Jerry on this for 3 years, and I do not believe that is his position. If you ask him to clarify, I'm sure he will. I don't want to speak for him.
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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Shouldn't you, if you are going to argue for or against something, actually make your position clear? The only position that is clear is that he wants to change the overall definition of marriage to make it about children, which would be an entirely separate argument.
    Why does that need to be an entirely separate argument?

    (Hint: it doesn't)

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Of course! Only some homophobic freak would say no
    Guess that makes me a homophobic freak ....

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    Re: Would you vote to legal same gender marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're pointing to exceptions which prove the rule as though those exceptions falsify the rule.

    Every time you point them out, you loose.
    Yet they don't prove the rule, they prove conclusively that the rule is false. Marriage is not about raising children. Certainly it is one element which marriage can address, but it does not make it the central, unifying rule which all, or even most, marriages exist to serve.

    Marriage isn't about raising children any more than it's about having monogamous sex. To claim that it is is utterly ludicrous.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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