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    Re: Do You Support "Cap and Trade?"

    I didnt read the thread before posting this, but in case nobody said it first cap and trade is nothing more than a government hand out to private business. private firms will be selling these credits and making huge profit while doing at the expense of their weaker competitors. it's not really that different from a farm subsidy, where those subsidies actually do more to prop up the larger competitors and hurt the little guy. it has nothing to do with science or saving the environment, it's about money.

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    Re: Do You Support "Cap and Trade?"

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Cost is a poor justification against it. It cost us more to switch from leaded to unleaded gasoline, but the reduction in lead exposure was tremendous as were the associated declines in health related costs and environmental costs.

    If we do nothing, the cost to relocate millions and the destruction of coastal cities well blow past any cost scheme for cap and trade.

    Cap and trade doesn't work for carbon at the moment because India and China aren't in on it and we don't have the same data that we had for the foundation of the sulfur emissions cap and trade.

    What use is reducing carbon emissions in the US when China and India will easily blow past any reductions we do?
    The important part to remember is how much more polution EU, USA and other developed countries in the world. That if India and China just got half the CO2/emission per capita the world would be really screwed even if you didn't belive in main made global warming, because their are not enough oil and coal, to support that demand. That an important part for EU and USA is to lead the way and give opportunities for China and India to don't make the same mistake as us. Because that should China and India do if the only way for development is cars, oil and coal, stay poor or polute like crazy and making the world run out of coal and oil at the same time? That you can except third world countries to stand for all the resources and applied testing of new technology.

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    Re: Do You Support "Cap and Trade?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    We don't even know if AGW is real. How in the hell can anyone support a policy decision based upon an assumption?
    My concern is more over how they could all vote for a bill they haven't read.

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    Re: Do You Support "Cap and Trade?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post



    "[h]ouseholds in the second lowest quintile would see added costs of about $40 on average, those in the middle quintile would see an increase in costs of about $235,"



    What about those making less than 200k no paying "one more dime"?


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    Re: Do You Support "Cap and Trade?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    My concern is more over how they could all vote for a bill they haven't read.
    Ever heard of the Patriot Act?

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    Re: Do You Support "Cap and Trade?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    My concern is more over how they could all vote for a bill they haven't read.
    What makes you think they read any of them?

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    Re: Do You Support "Cap and Trade?"

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Cost is a poor justification against it. It cost us more to switch from leaded to unleaded gasoline, but the reduction in lead exposure was tremendous as were the associated declines in health related costs and environmental costs.
    If cost is such a poor justification, why do you offer up a justification based on cost?

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    Re: Do You Support "Cap and Trade?"

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Ever heard of the Patriot Act?
    German's compare the 9/11 event and the Patriot Act, to the enactment of their decree "For the Protection of the People and the State". Which was pushed through after the scheme of the "Reichstag Fire", Burning of the Parliment in Berlin.

    The fire was contrived by the newly formed Nazi government itself to turn public opinion and to "Assume Emergency Powers"!

    This was the key event to establish Nazi Dictatorship

    The Patriot Act was pushed through just after 9/11 as an emergency bill which gave the Presidential Seat enormous powers toward dictatorship"

    The Presidential Seat now has complete control of the Strongest Military in the world and Congress is a moot point in decisions on when to use it!

    Now anyone can be arrested and detained FOREVER by just saying they are a suspected terrorist! The arrested person now does not have a right to DUE PROCESS OF THE LAW!!!

    Many more "emergency" bills were attempted to be shoved through congress just after 9/11 which would have made us even more closer to Dictatorship.

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    Re: Do You Support "Cap and Trade?"

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    German's compare the 9/11 event and the Patriot Act, to the enactment of their decree "For the Protection of the People and the State". Which was pushed through after the scheme of the "Reichstag Fire", Burning of the Parliment in Berlin.

    The fire was contrived by the newly formed Nazi government itself to turn public opinion and to "Assume Emergency Powers"!

    This was the key event to establish Nazi Dictatorship

    The Patriot Act was pushed through just after 9/11 as an emergency bill which gave the Presidential Seat enormous powers toward dictatorship"

    The Presidential Seat now has complete control of the Strongest Military in the world and Congress is a moot point in decisions on when to use it!

    Now anyone can be arrested and detained FOREVER by just saying they are a suspected terrorist! The arrested person now does not have a right to DUE PROCESS OF THE LAW!!!

    Many more "emergency" bills were attempted to be shoved through congress just after 9/11 which would have made us even more closer to Dictatorship.
    And that is the case with Cap and Trade as well. Congress did not read it and are willing to pass this and hurt the economy and the people needlessly. I think that we all need to do our part to protect the planet, but there could certainly be better legislation than this!

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    Re: Do You Support "Cap and Trade?"

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    And that is the case with Cap and Trade as well. Congress did not read it and are willing to pass this and hurt the economy and the people needlessly. I think that we all need to do our part to protect the planet, but there could certainly be better legislation than this!
    Many in Europe have been saying for a few years now that it seems as if our American government is taking steps to "intentionally" collapse our economy...

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