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    Re: Should Sanford resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Where did I attack her. I informed her that her and people like her, who focus on what they might want to conjure up in their own minds of what could be possibly maybe happening in the governor's mind to effect political decisions for the state based upon decisions made in his personal life, and the expectation that our elected officials are supposed to act in this "holy" way is aside the point.
    Yes, thats called an attack genius.

    The expectation is for our leaders to act better then the average person. Bush for example, completely failed in that, making as many mistakes during speeches as I do, and sometimes more while on the world stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    If the individual involved is making solid choices for the governed area and improving the lives of his constituents, then I give a rats ass less how "professional" he is when it comes to his personal life, or if his/her "standards" are higher than mine when it comes to his/her personal life. I could also give a rats ass less about how "intelligent" he is on a rateable scale, as long as the decisions being made and the policy that he/she is enacting or helping to enact is improving the lives of his/her constituents.
    Professionalism breeds success. Higher morals leads to the right choice being chosen. Intelligence allows the person in question to think more rationally then the common person. What you described was essentially someone who is stupid, amateur, and morally low.....that means either Bush or Palin. Which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Its about what they do FOR us. Not what they do when they aren't working for us.

    Two things matter when looking at a candidate overall. That is,
    1. Are they going to make the decisions necessary to make our lives better while still being in line with the constitution
    2. Do they have a record of following laws. (If not, they don't need to be making new ones).

    Once I can get past those two aspects, the rest is policy preference, what *I* think would help us, and what *I* (as a voter) would like to see set in motion, or in some cases, NOT set in motion.
    *Sigh* If they aren't intelligent enough, they won't understand what will fix a problem. If they are morally low, they will use their power for their own personal gain. If they are unprofessional, they won't have any confidence in them whatsoever, and confidence of your constituents is extremely necessary.

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    Re: Should Sanford resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    And in the meantime, because the clocked ticked twelve, the executioner pushed the button and the convicts head came off.

    Swell!

    It was irresponsible for Sanford to make himself unavailable without informing the chain of command.
    Yes, I agree it was.

    However, what did the SC people miss out on?

    Nothing.

    So lets just go back to SC business as usual.

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    Re: Should Sanford resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Yes, thats called an attack genius.
    An attack is only viewed as an attack by the person being spoken to. I don't recall addressing you, so mind your own business child.

    The expectation is for our leaders to act better then the average person.
    Why? As long as they do their job what does it matter what they do in their personal life?
    Bush for example, completely failed in that, making as many mistakes during speeches as I do, and sometimes more while on the world stage.
    And Im partisan?




    Professionalism breeds success. Higher morals leads to the right choice being chosen. Intelligence allows the person in question to think more rationally then the common person. What you described was essentially someone who is stupid, amateur, and morally low.....that means either Bush or Palin. Which one?
    And I am the one being partisan?




    *Sigh* If they aren't intelligent enough, they won't understand what will fix a problem. If they are morally low, they will use their power for their own personal gain. If they are unprofessional, they won't have any confidence in them whatsoever, and confidence of your constituents is extremely necessary.
    Again, If they are doing all the right things at work then they are encompassing these goals. I don't need to rate someone on a "scale" comparable against someone else to determine whether they are intelligent enough to do their job. This is why I thought bringing up college grades of candidates who have been out of college for 30+ years is a ridiculous notion. Its all about what they DO as an elected official, not some generic scale of rating. I could care less what they do in their personal life.


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    Yes, you failed at proving me to be a partisan hack, by showing that YOU in fact were the partisan hack all along, and didn't like that I wasn't conforming to your personal hackery.

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    Re: Should Sanford resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Thats fine, but you are a part of the problem why politics gets so nasty.

    People's expectations of their elected leaders lifestyles are much too high.

    Thats true for even non elected government employees too for that matter. Or should I say, people in positions of government authority.
    You have a point about people's expectations. I wouldn't question his ability to govern the state if he had gone to Argentina and screwed this woman. But the manner in which he did this and his subsequent behavior has made him look like he isn't stable. What kind of leader of a state goes out of the country and does not inform someone where he is? What kind leader of a state cries when talking about his lover and says he is trying to fall back in love with his wife? It's not normal behavior, and I personally think that he can't be taken seriously. Again, had he been unfaithful to his wife, I wouldn't care. I didn't think Ensign needed to step down from his leadership role.

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    Re: Should Sanford resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Yes, I agree it was.

    However, what did the SC people miss out on?

    Nothing.

    So lets just go back to SC business as usual.
    Irrelevant.

    Something could have happened that required the governor to declare a state of emergency. How about a tornado, for example?

    No, it was completely irresonsible, the act of a high school kid working as a bag boy at the Winn-Dixie, not the governor.

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    Re: Should Sanford resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    An attack is only viewed as an attack by the person being spoken to. I don't recall addressing you, so mind your own business child.
    Why? As long as they do their job what does it matter what they do in their personal life?
    And Im partisan?
    And I am the one being partisan?
    Again, If they are doing all the right things at work then they are encompassing these goals. I don't need to rate someone on a "scale" comparable against someone else to determine whether they are intelligent enough to do their job. This is why I thought bringing up college grades of candidates who have been out of college for 30+ years is a ridiculous notion. Its all about what they DO as an elected official, not some generic scale of rating. I could care less what they do in their personal life.
    [B]Yes, you failed at proving me to be a partisan hack, by showing that YOU in fact were the partisan hack all along, and didn't like that I wasn't conforming to your personal hackery.
    1. Use what common sense you have. When people throw mud, everyone can see it flying through the air old man.

    2. By that logic, we didn't need to impeach Clinton. He was doing his job. He lied to the jury just like Sanford lied to his entire faculty about going on a "hike"

    3. Yes you are. I never said I wasn't.

    4. DUH

    5. My point in intelligence and moral standards and professioanlism is that contributes towards a better term. Sure someone can get lucky and get by without any of them, but having the aforementioned helps a hell of a lot.

    6. You make no sense whatsoever. Go back to college old man, you need it.
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    Re: Should Sanford resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    You have a point about people's expectations. I wouldn't question his ability to govern the state if he had gone to Argentina and screwed this woman. But the manner in which he did this and his subsequent behavior has made him look like he isn't stable. What kind of leader of a state goes out of the country and does not inform someone where he is?
    I agree that this IS "the" issue (or should be) with this entire debacle. Personal opinions over whether this issue is large enough to force him to resign are going to vary. Mine is that he should not resign, I believe the good that many South Carolinians believe he has done for the state over the years can outweight this mistake that didn't actually cause any serious problems (but could have). I live about 15 minutes from the SC border, so we get alot of SC news. News about the governor has been mostly positive up until now. You being a person who lives a little farther away may or may not know much about any positive effects he has had on the government. That is my position, his positive effect and is it better than one screw up that didn't cause any harm.


    What kind leader of a state cries when talking about his lover and says he is trying to fall back in love with his wife? It's not normal behavior, and I personally think that he can't be taken seriously.
    So political leaders are not allowed to have personal moments of weakness? This again is going back to the expectation that these people are "super-human".

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    Re: Should Sanford resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Irrelevant.

    Something could have happened that required the governor to declare a state of emergency. How about a tornado, for example?

    No, it was completely irresonsible, the act of a high school kid working as a bag boy at the Winn-Dixie, not the governor.

    The whole planet could have been invaded by aliens and killed us all too.

    Why do we always tend to judge others on what "COULD" have happened until we (the individual judging) are the ones responsible?

    Oh, and heaven forbid the LT Governor could be incapable of making such a simple decision in the Governor's absence.

    They aren't kings, we can operate without them. What happens in a combat situation when the Squad Leader is killed? Wait, thats right, the senior team leader takes command. Why can't our government be the same way?


    Oh, then please by all means, Tell me the definition of exactly what Governor is and is not allowed to act like.................

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    Re: Should Sanford resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The whole planet could have been invaded by aliens and killed us all too.

    Why do we always tend to judge others on what "COULD" have happened until we (the individual judging) are the ones responsible?

    Oh, and heaven forbid the LT Governor could be incapable of making such a simple decision in the Governor's absence.

    They aren't kings, we can operate without them. What happens in a combat situation when the Squad Leader is killed? Wait, thats right, the senior team leader takes command. Why can't our government be the same way?
    1. Thats a very stupid example to give.

    2. It's not what could have happened, it's what did happen: he didn't just leave the state without telling anyone, he left the country, all the while leaving his entire state standing.

    3. You need to add some common sense and logic to your arguement. Look beyond the words old man.

    4. We can't do anything substantial without the appointed official in the office. What he said goes.

    So, you want us to become a military dictatorship? Now you're really talking nonsense dude!
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    Re: Should Sanford resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    1. Use what common sense you have. When people throw mud, everyone can see it flying through the air old man.

    2. By that logic, we didn't need to impeach Clinton. He was doing his job. He lied to the jury just like Sanford lied to his entire faculty about going on a "hike"
    Im curious as to why we were even asking him about his personal life on the stand in the first place. Granted he should not have lied, but since the question was irrelevant I don't really hold it against him all that much. He was doing a good job so I hear.



    3. Yes you are. I never said I wasn't.
    Care to show me a quote that makes me partisan?


    4. DUH
    What in the hell is this in response to?


    5. My point in intelligence and moral standards and professioanlism is that contributes towards a better term. Sure someone can get lucky and get by without any of them, but having the aforementioned helps a hell of a lot.
    If by "moral standards" you are speaking of "ethics" when it comes to work, then I agree. Otherwise, I could care less if a married governor has sex with 4 horny broads he takes home from the strip club at the same time, gets drunk, and then goes out to get several tatoos. As long as he is doing his job using the intelligence necessary for the job, and the professionalism required.

    6. You make no sense whatsoever. Go back to college old man, you need it.
    What exactly is this in response to again?

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