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    Career politicans?

    How do you vote?

    My vote - Eliminate them entirely. Put term limits on everyone. As long as the law limits their terms, then they will be limited as to the amount of damage they can do as a result of believing that they are better than the rest of us.
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    Re: Career politicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    How do you vote?

    My vote - Eliminate them entirely. Put term limits on everyone. As long as the law limits their terms, then they will be limited as to the amount of damage they can do as a result of believing they are above the rest of us.
    Term limits absolutely.

    Two terms for President
    Two terms for Senators
    Three terms for Representatives.

    It is worth noting that term limits were the pattern of the Roman Republic.

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    Re: Career politicans?

    I'm mixed about this. On one side, anyone who identifies themselves as a politician, is just below lawyers on the evolutionary scale. On the other, I don't believe in term limits, primarily because if someone is doing a good job, they should stay in their job. We have an election system, here. If someone is doing damage, let the people vote them out of office.
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    Re: Career politicans?

    I think it should remain as is. If the politicians in Washington remain, it is because their contituence want it that way and their votes should be for who they want.

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    Re: Career politicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    How do you vote?

    My vote - Eliminate them entirely. Put term limits on everyone. As long as the law limits their terms, then they will be limited as to the amount of damage they can do as a result of believing that they are better than the rest of us.
    Carreer politicians? You mean like Ron Paul and whatnot?

    If they can still get people to vote for them, then I see no reason to limit their terms -- even if we do get stuck with career politicians like the aforementioned from time to time.
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    Re: Career politicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Term limits absolutely.

    Two terms for President
    Two terms for Senators
    Three terms for Representatives.

    It is worth noting that term limits were the pattern of the Roman Republic.
    Currently I am for term limits because of the entrenched influence that a president or other politician gains.

    However, there is problems with term limits, that are very evident for presidents... where after their first term they don't have the leverage to do very much for their second term.

    I forgot the president... but some presidential dude in the 19th century said that he would only be in office for ONE term, and because of that he had no way of rallying congress to do anything.

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    Re: Career politicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm mixed about this. On one side, anyone who identifies themselves as a politician, is just below lawyers on the evolutionary scale. On the other, I don't believe in term limits, primarily because if someone is doing a good job, they should stay in their job. We have an election system, here. If someone is doing damage, let the people vote them out of office.
    I disagree with you, and here is why:

    1) If somebody is doing a good job, that is great. However, considering how many other people there are, there will always be someone else who can do a good job too.

    2) The risk of a politician becoming corrupt outweighs by far the good that could come because of that rare politician who does a good job. The vast majority of politicians were once honest people, but were corrupted by the system. It's just human nature. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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    Re: Career politicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm mixed about this. On one side, anyone who identifies themselves as a politician, is just below lawyers on the evolutionary scale. On the other, I don't believe in term limits, primarily because if someone is doing a good job, they should stay in their job. We have an election system, here. If someone is doing damage, let the people vote them out of office.
    How do you define "good job"?

    Are bridges to nowhere funded by out-of-state taxpayers a "good job"? Or are they "damage"?

    The problem with Congressmen/Senators for life is that their continuance in office necessitates overriding loyalty to a cadre of special interests that to fund re-election, rather than representing the interests of an entire constituency or the whole of the state and/or nation.

    Term limits and greater congressional turn-over would break the power of K street and PACs across the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    However, there is problems with term limits, that are very evident for presidents... where after their first term they don't have the leverage to do very much for their second term.
    Ronald Reagan
    William Jefferson Clinton
    George W. Bush

    History disproves your thesis.

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    Re: Career politicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm mixed about this. On one side, anyone who identifies themselves as a politician, is just below lawyers on the evolutionary scale. On the other, I don't believe in term limits, primarily because if someone is doing a good job, they should stay in their job. We have an election system, here. If someone is doing damage, let the people vote them out of office.

    The problem there is, it rarely ever happens.

    One example of someone I despise is Senator Ted Kennedy. Through his family connections in part, but chiefly his seniority in the Senate, he amassed disproportionate power as one of two senators from the not-THAT-important state of Massachusetts. At one time this man was probably among the ten most powerful individuals in the country. I never got to vote against him, because I am not in Mass.

    Examples from my own state would be Strom Thurmond and Fritz Hollings. Two senior senators, they weren't quite in Teddy's league but they were far more powerful though seniority and influence established over long service than would be warranted by two senators from South Carolina, a smallish and relatively rural state.

    I am for term limits. I'll go one step further and say we ought to put a cap on how many years someone may serve as an elected representative period. If we put 2-term limits on everything, a fellow could still serve 2 terms as a State Rep, 2 terms as a State Senator, 2 terms each as a Federal Rep and Senator, 2 terms as a State Governor, then 2 terms as Prez....totalling 44 years in public office as a professional politician. I say cap it at two terms each AND a maximum of 20 years as an elected official cumulative total.

    When they KNOW that they are going to stop being a member of the "ruling class" within a certain amount of time, and go back to being one of the "little people", they might be a tad less inclined to screw us over. It would also put a cap on how much power they can accumulate over a lifetime of "public service".

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