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    Re: Career politicans?

    Agreed with Harry. A compulsory political aptitude test is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George VI View Post
    Agreed with Harry. A compulsory political aptitude test is needed.
    Limit the franchise to veterans. Heinlein had it nailed.

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    Re: Career politicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Term limits don't solve the problem.

    We must eliminate universal suffrage. Implement a sound way to filter out the crap from our stock of people to make a limited supply of eligible voters.
    Yeah, we've already tried that before, it didn't work out so great.

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    Re: Career politicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Yeah, we've already tried that before, it didn't work out so great.
    I was working out quite well in fact.

    Government growth was almost exactly tied to inflation, that is until women were finally included.
    Not that I think all women shouldn't be included but some of both men and women should be denied.
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    Re: Career politicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I was working out quite well in fact.

    Government growth was almost exactly tied to inflation, that is until women were finally included.
    Not that I think all women shouldn't be included but some of both men and women should be denied.
    Things were great back then... given that you were a wealthy white male.

    If only certain people can vote, they will vote for their own superiority over the non-voters.

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    Re: Career politicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Things were great back then... given that you were a wealthy white male.

    If only certain people can vote, they will vote for their own superiority over the non-voters.
    The founders were extremely critical of democratic anything precisely because it allows groups of people to confiscate unearned benefits from the public treasury.

    That is what is happening now, limiting voting has nothing to do with "rich white males" and everything to do with preserving negative rights.

    We used to be a country where the rule of law was most important and democracy has brought us the rule of man, a crass, unsavory existence that will fail us.
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    Re: Career politicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The founders were extremely critical of democratic anything precisely because it allows groups of people to confiscate unearned benefits from the public treasury.
    Then why did they found a democratic government?

    That is what is happening now, limiting voting has nothing to do with "rich white males" and everything to do with preserving negative rights.
    That's the theory, which is much different than the reality. The reality is, there's no way to stop the few who can vote from voting themselves benefits which the non-voters cannot have.

    We used to be a country where the rule of law was most important and democracy has brought us the rule of man, a crass, unsavory existence that will fail us.
    We used to be a racist, sexist, classist society, and now we're not.

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    Re: Career politicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Then why did they found a democratic government?
    They didn't, they founded a republic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    That's the theory, which is much different than the reality. The reality is, there's no way to stop the few who can vote from voting themselves benefits which the non-voters cannot have.
    Requirements to voting would be, You cannot vote if you receive any form of payment, subsidy, favor, privilege outside of voting itself.
    That includes employees of the government.

    You must be a tax payer to vote.

    Following these two Constitutional requirements anyone who votes themselves benefits from the government will have the privilege of voting removed.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    We used to be a racist, sexist, classist society, and now we're not.
    All parts of the rule of man, if we can eradicate that we should be able to clean the gross amount of ignorance from our voting stock.
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    Re: Career politicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They didn't, they founded a republic.
    A democratic republic. You'll notice that voting is mentioned in the Constitution, but limits on who gets to vote is not.

    Requirements to voting would be, You cannot vote if you receive any form of payment, subsidy, favor, privilege outside of voting itself.
    That includes employees of the government.

    You must be a tax payer to vote.

    Following these two Constitutional requirements anyone who votes themselves benefits from the government will have the privilege of voting removed.
    Voting for your own superiority doesn't just mean voting yourself money. See Jim Crow laws.
    Oh by the way, living in NOVA means knowing a lot of people who work for the government, including within my immediate family. They're no different from any other people. Why they shouldn't get to vote is beyond me.

    All parts of the rule of man, if we can eradicate that we should be able to clean the gross amount of ignorance from our voting stock.
    Isn't our whole government based on the rule of man? After all, it's "We the People", not "We the Few".

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    Re: Career politicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Limit the franchise to veterans. Heinlein had it nailed.
    Are you kidding me!

    Sounds like the makeup of a sham-democracy.

    You can limit what the government can do, or you can even alter ellections with the ellectoral college, but one person-one vote is the only way to go.


    If you can limit some people from voting (except from limited cases of people in prison, which is still bull****) then it can grow to take out whoever society feels like it.

    There is no way to only have the "best" people vote, if that was possible, then we wouldn't need democracy. Only a near-universal consensus of people can have any just government.

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