View Poll Results: What should be done to fix California

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  • Repeal Term Limits

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  • Reform Initiative Process

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  • Remove Auto-Pilot Spending

    13 48.15%
  • Do Away With 2/3 Requirement

    8 29.63%
  • Reform Prop 13

    7 25.93%
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    Fixing california

    California is broken. Broken very badly. Our government might be the most disfunctional in the nation. Something, or several things need to be done to set California on a more manageable path. Here's a list of things I think would help us regain our balance.

    1. Do Away With The 2/3 Requirement- CA is one of only three states to require a 2/3 majority to pass a budget. This lets a small group of legislators hold the budget hostage till they get what they want. It also increases pork, as individual legislators can ask for spending in their district in exchange for their vote on the budget; this is easier to do with a 2/3 majority, where each and every vote pass a certain point has to be scrounged. Yet another advantage is that it would increase accountability. As it is now, the majority party can blame the minority party for holding the budget hostage. The minority party can point our they're not in power, so aren't responsible. So no one can take full blame for the budget if it's late or a mess.

    2. Repeal Term Limits- Term limits for the Legislator has been a great idea in theory, but horrible in practice. It leads to increased short-sightedness in legislators- after all, they're not going to be there in 8 years, so why do they care about the long-term effects of something? It also cycles out the best talent, the people who really know how to get things done, leaving to a more inexperienced, incompetent, legislatures. To say nothing of the musical chairs it causes.

    3.Modify Prop. 13- Prop 13, which lowered property taxes, has led to problems that Howard Jarvis probably never considered. A business opened in 1980 still pays property taxes as it was evaluated in 1980. These rates should be updated every decade or so. A coffee shop opened in 1980 still pays lower taxes based on its evaluation thirty years ago, while a coffee shop that opened in 2009 pays taxes based on the current value of the land, driving up their prices and keeping the prices at the first coffee shop artificially low. This needs to be changed.

    4. Reform the Initiative Process- California probably has the most abused initiative processes in the nation. Every election we get 10 or more initiatives, often put on the ballot by special interests who don't get what they want from the legislatures. This leads to people voting on issues that they don't always know enough about, often without looking at the broader scope of the issue or the state of things. When Governor Hiram Johnson got the initiative process passed in the state, he intended it as a "gun behind the door" to use in case the power of the legislature needed to be kept in check. It was never meant to be used for special interests to bypass the legislature. Something needs to be done to bring the process back in line for its original intent. I can start another thread to discuss details of this if people like, but the main point is something needs to be done.


    5. Remove Autopilot Formulas- Our state constitution is chock full of auto-pilot formulas mandating specific amounts of money get spent on all sorts of programs regardless of the big picture. These programs need to be removed from the constitution, or at least reduced. I've heard it put that the state legislature only controls something like 7% of the budget. We need more flexibility.

    Now there's ways to do these changes, such as a constitutional convention, or a initiative packet, but most important is just that something gets done. Thoughts?
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    Since the law says the legislature must submit a budget by a certain date, haul their sorry butts off the jail if it isn't completed by that date and replace them.

    Make it illegal for unions to contribute money to any political campaign. If union members want to donate, it would acceptable for the union to reduce the dues paid by that member by an equal amount. The union can't pick the candidate the member donates to, it can only advise.

    That would resolve almost all budget problems in the state be deconstructing the power of the corrupt unions to influence elections.

    The ballot initiative process has been shown repeatedly to be the tool of the manipulators and hucksters, and should be modified to eliminate all spending issues from public consent. If a mass of people want money spent on some matter, they can donate their own dimes by their own selves.

    Tax hikes should be a matter of public consent, with a mandatory two thirds majority to pass.

    Requiring parents to identify THEIR nationality before enrolling their children in public schools, or before recieving any taxpayer funded benefits would cut billions off the state budget. Each billion saved is roughly 4% of the budget shortfall. Bet your ass we should balance the entire savings on the backs of the illegal invaders.

    Finally, a hierarchy of state and local services must be defined, so that the politicians cannot immediately cut necessary public services to scare the weak and easily lead into demanding tax increases. For instance, the LA County Sheriff is refusing to pay to DNA test rape kits, an emotional hot button issue, when the matter clearly should be prioritized against the urgent needs of the LA Art Musuem, and other such programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Since the law says the legislature must submit a budget by a certain date, haul their sorry butts off the jail if it isn't completed by that date and replace them.
    Spend millions of dollars on a special election if they're not done? No thank you. And that won't fix anything, since the problem is that they can't agree. How will that magically make a compromise happen?

    Make it illegal for unions to contribute money to any political campaign. If union members want to donate, it would acceptable for the union to reduce the dues paid by that member by an equal amount. The union can't pick the candidate the member donates to, it can only advise.
    How would that fix enough to matter? And why target just unions?

    That would resolve almost all budget problems in the state be deconstructing the power of the corrupt unions to influence elections.
    And what about the unions that aren't corrupt? Or big businesses? Get real.

    The ballot initiative process has been shown repeatedly to be the tool of the manipulators and hucksters, and should be modified to eliminate all spending issues from public consent. If a mass of people want money spent on some matter, they can donate their own dimes by their own selves.
    Can't especially argue with this. Or, more realistically, get the legislature to approve it. It's their job.

    Tax hikes should be a matter of public consent, with a mandatory two thirds majority to pass.
    Already a law here, don't worry.

    Requiring parents to identify THEIR nationality before enrolling their children in public schools, or before recieving any taxpayer funded benefits would cut billions off the state budget. Each billion saved is roughly 4% of the budget shortfall. Bet your ass we should balance the entire savings on the backs of the illegal invaders.
    How will that help? Lots of latinos are here LEGALLY and have just as much right to the public school system as anyone else. Heck, there's latinos that have been here longer than most white people. And yes, illegal aliens NEVER come from any place but Latin America. Never at all. Ever. Your white robe's showing. I mean, from what I can tell, you're saying we should bar latinos from public schooling. No thanks.

    Finally, a hierarchy of state and local services must be defined, so that the politicians cannot immediately cut necessary public services to scare the weak and easily lead into demanding tax increases. For instance, the LA County Sheriff is refusing to pay to DNA test rape kits, an emotional hot button issue, when the matter clearly should be prioritized against the urgent needs of the LA Art Musuem, and other such programs.
    I suspect the LACS and the LAAM get their fundings from different places. It's more complicated than you think.
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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Spend millions of dollars on a special election if they're not done? No thank you.
    No.

    Visit the California Tax Franchise Board and select one person from each district who's paid taxes that year and ask them if they want to visit Sacramento for a short while, at a state legislator's salary to do a few minor tasks the professional political hacks found to complicated.

    Why bother with election when the elected people don't do the job they're elected to do? Just pull names from random and ask for volunteers. Right off the bat, saved money.

    If the people legislators can't resolve the issue, estimate the projected spending, the measured reciepts, and cut the spending on a prioritized scale so that essential services (that means law enforcement and the little fire truck people) are funded, and the rest fed what's left without incurring state debt.

    Families balance budgets all the time without going into debt, ain't no reason a state can't do the same thing a couple with a high school education can do.


    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    And that won't fix anything, since the problem is that they can't agree. How will that magically make a compromise happen?
    Who want's a compromise? I want spending cut to meet current revenue.

    Pass a law mandating state spending be limited to no more than 100% of last years received receipts. Eliminate laws mandating special percentages for education and the rest of that nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    How would that fix enough to matter? And why target just unions?
    Why not? They don't do anything useful.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    And what about the unions that aren't corrupt?
    That's like trying to find a real eighteen year old virgin in a two-dollar Tijuana whorehouse.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Or big businesses? Get real.
    You mean the big businesses that are fleeing the state because the corrupt goonions are ruining them via government interference and taxation?

    States need businesses, they don't need goonions.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    How will that help? Lots of latinos are here LEGALLY
    Then they don't have anything to worry about, do they?

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    Heck, there's latinos that have been here longer than most white people.
    They must be realllllleeeee old.

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    And yes, illegal aliens NEVER come from any place but Latin America.
    So? The blond german twenty year old tourists are okay. I'll keep a gaggle of those in my backyard anytime.

    Amazing, isn't it, how some jackasses think that just because a poster only mentions the single largest illegal invader group in the entire nation for the sake of brevity that he just has to be racist because he didn't write an entire dissertation on the other 10% of the invaders who've come from Europe and elsewhere. I'm bigotted against jackasses, too, and have no objections to deporting them to South America where they can be hitched up to a wagon and finally get to experience the pleasures of doing something useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No.

    Visit the California Tax Franchise Board and select one person from each district who's paid taxes that year and ask them if they want to visit Sacramento for a short while, at a state legislator's salary to do a few minor tasks the professional political hacks found to complicated.

    Why bother with election when the elected people don't do the job they're elected to do? Just pull names from random and ask for volunteers. Right off the bat, saved money.
    Because we live in a Democratic Republic.

    If the people legislators can't resolve the issue, estimate the projected spending, the measured reciepts, and cut the spending on a prioritized scale so that essential services (that means law enforcement and the little fire truck people) are funded, and the rest fed what's left without incurring state debt.

    Families balance budgets all the time without going into debt, ain't no reason a state can't do the same thing a couple with a high school education can do.
    Sometimes you have to go into debt. It happens. To say never go into debt is a recipe for disaster. Run a surplus during the boom period, so you can have a debt in recessions. It's basic economics.


    Who want's a compromise? I want spending cut to meet current revenue.
    We could disband the entire University of California system, and it won't be enough. You don't get it. The gap is too big to make just with cuts.

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    Pass a law mandating state spending be limited to no more than 100% of last years received receipts. Eliminate laws mandating special percentages for education and the rest of that nonsense.[/quote]
    I agree we should remove auto-pilot formulas.

    Why not? They don't do anything useful.
    They allow employees to collectively bargain with their employers.

    That's like trying to find a real eighteen year old virgin in a two-dollar Tijuana whorehouse.
    They're out there, you just would have to take off your blinders to see them.

    You mean the big businesses that are fleeing the state because the corrupt goonions are ruining them via government interference and taxation?
    Firstly, irrelevant to the fact at hand. Second, Big Businesses fleeing the state is mostly anecdotal. Good luck backing it up. Thirdly, why should they be allowed to spend money on politics, but Unions shouldn't? Seems unfair to me.


    Then they don't have anything to worry about, do they?
    Then why is their ethnicity an issue?

    They must be realllllleeeee old.
    Sorry, I meant to say Latino families.

    So? The blond german twenty year old tourists are okay. I'll keep a gaggle of those in my backyard anytime.

    Amazing, isn't it, how some jackasses think that just because a poster only mentions the single largest illegal invader group in the entire nation for the sake of brevity that he just has to be racist because he didn't write an entire dissertation on the other 10% of the invaders who've come from Europe and elsewhere. I'm bigotted against jackasses, too, and have no objections to deporting them to South America where they can be hitched up to a wagon and finally get to experience the pleasures of doing something useful.
    No, I figure you might be racist, because you proposed we find them by ethnicity, which would include grabbing people who are here legally. And there's lots of reasons I wonder if you might be racist, not just this.

    And deporting Jackasses would inevitably include someone who shows total disrespect to anyone who doesn't share his political views. Who do I know like that...
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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Because we live in a Democratic Republic.
    Let's see, in a "democracy", people stand up, make speeches, lie their asses off, and the people always wind up voting for some unknown stranger in a suit.

    Or, the whole list of people can be put in a hat and their names drawn out, and they can have laws made by strangers who wear jeans and steel toed shoes.

    The first method hasn't worked out too well, has it now?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Sometimes you have to go into debt. It happens.
    The State of California was going into debt in the 1990's when tax revenues were soaring, unemployment was very low, and business was booming.

    Something wrong with your theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    To say never go into debt is a recipe for disaster.
    How about saving deficit spending for specifically defined disasters, like earthquakes greater than magnitude 8.0 or tsunamis? No reason to go into debt for the routine brush fires, the expected floods, or the antics of the natives in South Central Los Angeles or Oakland.

    Before debt is incurred, EVERY SINGLE ITEM on that prioritized listed that is not deemed VITAL should be zeroed for that year's spending. No exceptions, not excuses. It's not VITAL that peole on welfare continue to recieve their checks, there are 49 other states they can move to, for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Run a surplus during the boom period, so you can have a debt in recessions. It's basic economics.
    That's fine....within limits. California had decades of sound growth and high revenues. Where's the "rainy day fund"?

    Politicians lie and steal, that's basic economics, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    We could disband the entire University of California system, and it won't be enough. You don't get it. The gap is too big to make just with cuts.
    No, the gap is not, you're being a wimp.

    Throw away your scalpel and see what I can do with this chainsaw.

    Yo! Little brats! Pay for your own education. Can't afford college? Join the damn army. Too bad if you didn't study harder in the public schools we paid for.

    Yo! Welfare people. Did you know that Arkansas pays 20% more in benefits than California does? No, that's right, we're changing the policies. California is now paying the lowest benefits of any state in the union.

    Yo! Invading hordes of illegal aliens. Special Order 40 is rescinded, the cops can indeed ask you if you're here legally and arrest you if you're not. How's that for a renewed understanding of the word "illegal" in "illegal alien"?

    Yo! Jail people. Yeah, you guards. Ten bucks an hour sounds like a fair wage for the skill levels you demonstrate.

    Yo! Jail people. Yeah, you other guys. You can have as much cable as you like. So long as you like the Teletubbies and Barney, you'll be fine. We'll give you the good uplifting stuff, don't worry.

    Yo! School administrators. We got ya all in a nice line right? See that guy in front of you? One way, or the other, one of you won't be seeing the other at your work next week.

    Yo! Artists! If people don't want to buy the crap you're making, you better start making better crap because the state just turned you off.

    Yo! Chumach injuns? You value your cultural heritage? Yeah? We're about to find out how much because it's your heritage, you get to pay to preserve it yourselves.

    Yeah, it's easy to cut budgets.

    Just tell the people to grow up and stop being little socialist whiners.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    They allow employees to collectively bargain with their employers.
    That's something the employer can decide to do on his own, or not.

    If it's a private business, it's not a government matter. If it's a state position, just tell them if they don't want the job at the wage offered, someone else will take it.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Firstly, irrelevant to the fact at hand. Second, Big Businesses fleeing the state is mostly anecdotal. Good luck backing it up. Thirdly, why should they be allowed to spend money on politics, but Unions shouldn't? Seems unfair to me.
    Business creates jobs, unions do not.

    The history of union and government is one of unlimited corruption. Time to force a divorce.

    Actually, I'm not that opposed to business being as restricted from lobbying as goonions are, I just hadn't bothered to write it.

    What I'm really interested in seeing is 100% complete financial disclosure of anyone holding elected and appointed public office, including the full disclosure of the financial records of their immediate families, for the term of their office and for a full decade after they depart public service, with mandatory prison terms for those convicted of accepting bribes and for those offering them.

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    Then why is their ethnicity an issue?
    You brought it up, I was merely pointing to the worst offenders, figuring non-racist honest readers could scan between the lines.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    No, I figure you might be racist, because you proposed we find them by ethnicity, which would include grabbing people who are here legally.
    I think demanding a valid US driver's license when making routine traffic stops and arresting those adults that couldn't show proper ID would be a start. Arresting people for loitering at the Home Depot and not releasing those who can't show legal presence in the country is another place to begin.

    Naturally, arresting employers of these criminals is essential, also, but the heart of the problem is indeed the invader hisself.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    And there's lots of reasons I wonder if you might be racist, not just this.
    It's the mirror I hold up for hypocrites, is all.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    And deporting Jackasses would inevitably include someone who shows total disrespect to anyone who doesn't share his political views. Who do I know like that...
    Keith Obermann.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    California is broken. Broken very badly. Our government might be the most disfunctional in the nation. Something, or several things need to be done to set California on a more manageable path. Here's a list of things I think would help us regain our balance.

    1. Do Away With The 2/3 Requirement- CA is one of only three states to require a 2/3 majority to pass a budget. This lets a small group of legislators hold the budget hostage till they get what they want. It also increases pork, as individual legislators can ask for spending in their district in exchange for their vote on the budget; this is easier to do with a 2/3 majority, where each and every vote pass a certain point has to be scrounged. Yet another advantage is that it would increase accountability. As it is now, the majority party can blame the minority party for holding the budget hostage. The minority party can point our they're not in power, so aren't responsible. So no one can take full blame for the budget if it's late or a mess.

    2. Repeal Term Limits- Term limits for the Legislator has been a great idea in theory, but horrible in practice. It leads to increased short-sightedness in legislators- after all, they're not going to be there in 8 years, so why do they care about the long-term effects of something? It also cycles out the best talent, the people who really know how to get things done, leaving to a more inexperienced, incompetent, legislatures. To say nothing of the musical chairs it causes.

    3.Modify Prop. 13- Prop 13, which lowered property taxes, has led to problems that Howard Jarvis probably never considered. A business opened in 1980 still pays property taxes as it was evaluated in 1980. These rates should be updated every decade or so. A coffee shop opened in 1980 still pays lower taxes based on its evaluation thirty years ago, while a coffee shop that opened in 2009 pays taxes based on the current value of the land, driving up their prices and keeping the prices at the first coffee shop artificially low. This needs to be changed.

    4. Reform the Initiative Process- California probably has the most abused initiative processes in the nation. Every election we get 10 or more initiatives, often put on the ballot by special interests who don't get what they want from the legislatures. This leads to people voting on issues that they don't always know enough about, often without looking at the broader scope of the issue or the state of things. When Governor Hiram Johnson got the initiative process passed in the state, he intended it as a "gun behind the door" to use in case the power of the legislature needed to be kept in check. It was never meant to be used for special interests to bypass the legislature. Something needs to be done to bring the process back in line for its original intent. I can start another thread to discuss details of this if people like, but the main point is something needs to be done.


    5. Remove Autopilot Formulas- Our state constitution is chock full of auto-pilot formulas mandating specific amounts of money get spent on all sorts of programs regardless of the big picture. These programs need to be removed from the constitution, or at least reduced. I've heard it put that the state legislature only controls something like 7% of the budget. We need more flexibility.

    Now there's ways to do these changes, such as a constitutional convention, or a initiative packet, but most important is just that something gets done. Thoughts?
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    Cut spending by 50 billion. Make the unions, illegal immigrants, and politicians suffer. Beat Arnold with a pipe like Kyle Reese. Throw a big party for all government officials where everyone gets a martini. Hope everyone chokes to death on the olive.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Replace the population, they're the problem.
    How so, Jerry?
    Let's figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Since the law says the legislature must submit a budget by a certain date, haul their sorry butts off the jail if it isn't completed by that date and replace them.

    Make it illegal for unions to contribute money to any political campaign. If union members want to donate, it would acceptable for the union to reduce the dues paid by that member by an equal amount. The union can't pick the candidate the member donates to, it can only advise.

    That would resolve almost all budget problems in the state be deconstructing the power of the corrupt unions to influence elections.

    The ballot initiative process has been shown repeatedly to be the tool of the manipulators and hucksters, and should be modified to eliminate all spending issues from public consent. If a mass of people want money spent on some matter, they can donate their own dimes by their own selves.

    Tax hikes should be a matter of public consent, with a mandatory two thirds majority to pass.

    Requiring parents to identify THEIR nationality before enrolling their children in public schools, or before recieving any taxpayer funded benefits would cut billions off the state budget. Each billion saved is roughly 4% of the budget shortfall. Bet your ass we should balance the entire savings on the backs of the illegal invaders.

    Finally, a hierarchy of state and local services must be defined, so that the politicians cannot immediately cut necessary public services to scare the weak and easily lead into demanding tax increases. For instance, the LA County Sheriff is refusing to pay to DNA test rape kits, an emotional hot button issue, when the matter clearly should be prioritized against the urgent needs of the LA Art Musuem, and other such programs.
    Completing a budget doesn't matter. We don't care if they can't decide on a budget for the next ten years straight. We must compel the politicians to do things which would cause the unions and illegal immigrants pain. Don't make it complicated. This is a simple problem developed over time by corruption. There is no politician in California that you can trust. We must make politicians' lives a living hell. Open rebellion would be nice.
    Let's figure it out.

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