View Poll Results: What should be done to fix California

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  • Repeal Term Limits

    6 22.22%
  • Reform Initiative Process

    8 29.63%
  • Remove Auto-Pilot Spending

    13 48.15%
  • Do Away With 2/3 Requirement

    8 29.63%
  • Reform Prop 13

    7 25.93%
  • Other

    18 66.67%
  • Nothing Should Be Done

    4 14.81%
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Thread: Fixing california

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    If you don't like the American system, you can leave, but it's gotten us pretty well so far.
    Bankruptcy, insolvency, eroded freedoms, limited right, interference, obstruction, and harassment.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    It is what the founding fathers fought for- A representative republic.
    It ceased being a republic with the 17th Amendment.

    You could try figuring out what words mean, you know. The Senate ceased being the representatives of the moneyed classes when they became nothing but officials elected by the same people voting for Congressmen. Hence, no longer a Republic, and not coincidentally, the Wilson Presidency is the time when the nation started going to hell in a go-cart.

    I'm all for a representational republic. When are we going to get one?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Why is it relevant that they wear jeans and steel toed shoes?
    You're anti-common man?

    They just have to have monied snobs telling them what to do?

    That's worked well, hasn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    And how do you know you'll get that? For all you know, you'll get someone who wears a suit for a living.
    Possible, but chances are he's not a lawyer, and chances are sound that he knows what a dollar is worth to the man who earned it.

    What we need to dispose of is the class of people willing to spend my money to get others to vote for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The state was spending beyond their means. I'll be the first to admit it. And I've proposed the above as realistic solutions.
    And I've proposed even more realistic solutions, almost all of which boil down to "you! Get a job, ya bum!".

    You have a problem with that?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Welfare is a fairly insignificant part of the budget. I mean, we're at the point right now where we're thinking about closing state parks and schools.
    I mean, we're at the point where the state is refusing to cut the nonessentials and is insisting on cutting the essential services, like testing the rape kits, because the calculating callous cynical politicians are lying their asses off and know damn good and well that the more the cut of what's actually needed, the more they can push for higher taxes, and so long as the lap dog media that helped them get the state in this condition in the first place refuses to point out the budget items that are being spared while rape kits go untested, the more then can convince the ignorant voters that they just have to pass those tax hikes and resupply the politicians with their heroin.

    Only saps can't see what's going on right now.

    Only saps can't see that it's what happens with every budget cycle.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I never said the state was ran well. And politicians do lie and steal, that's why we pass transparency laws. Better than your ridiculous system of picking people at random.
    Yes, clearly the present method has worked just wonderfully.



    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    It's impossible to assume you're a reasonable, realistic person who genuinely wants to fix things.
    Your personal inabilities aren't my problem, are they?

    I'm perfectly reasonable.

    Government in free societies exist to protect freedoms, not perform au pair services.

    Eliminate the au pair functions of the California State Government and the financial problem becomes one of cutting taxes enough to prevent huge budget surpluses.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    All I get is a list of things you hate,
    No. You got a list of au pair services, and not a conclusive list at that.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    and draconian measures you want to enact,
    Nothing draconian with telling the indians to preserve their own culture, if they care about it, etc etc etc. I'm from New York, I don't know squat about the stone age civilization the preceded the Spanish conquest of California and see no point in being paid to preserve relics of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    without any regard to how much it'd save. We're talking, last I checked, 24 billion. Your "solutions" would be a drop in the bucket to that.
    Kicking the invading hordes back to Mexico will save 4-5 billion annually alone.

    Canceling all the nickel and dime activities will save tons.

    working up to the two-bit and four-bit articles will save even more.

    What is the state supposed to provide from general funds?

    State police, state courts, highways and roads, water management issues, some stuff like that.

    Well, roads are paid for by gasoline taxes, there should never be a shortfall there. State police are paid for by state taxes, and aren't a huge budget matter, regardless.

    Parks? If the state wants to run parks, that's fine. Raise the day-use fee to that level necessary to balance annual traffic against annual operating costs.

    Welfare? Well, ain't no one got a right to demand someone else's money, let them beg on the streets or move away, I'm easy.

    Water management? Paid for by....water use fees. Oh, these things are soooo difficult to figure out, aren't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    It's not a government matter, but you trying to get unions banned or whatever you're pushing for is pretty totalitarian.
    No, goonion influence over politicians is the principal reason the state is in the condition it's in. Welcome to the reality of California politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Unions brought us minimum wage
    See how much trouble and damage they've caused?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    and 40-hour weeks.
    Which were coming into being because of the increased productivity of worker due to technlogical advancement and goonions are claiming credit for something that was evolving naturally anyway without their interference.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Work places that wont kill you.
    Yawn.

    As if anyone wanted to read an infinite progression of stale goonion praises again.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I believe that when they're in office, they do have immediate transparancy. But what would you define as a bribe?
    Nope. Bribe is a sefl-evident word not requiring translation into english. Buy a dictionary.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Are you trying to say I'm racist?
    If you can't take the truth, don't spray the paint.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    It's nice in theory, but what are you going to do with them?
    Tents work. We can set them up right against the Mexican border and leave the southern side unsecured, so they can leave any time they want to.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Our prisons are overcrowded as it is, and just dumping them in Mexico isn't a real solution.
    Hmmm....gets them out of our prisons, gets them out of our state, gets them out of our country, and puts them in the country causing the problem, and you claim it isn't a solution?

    hahahahahahaha...

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Besides, most of them just want to be able to work and make money and get by
    Illegally.

    The people obeying the immigration laws only want to be able to work, make money, and get by, too.

    Why are you discriminating against them in favor of law breakers?

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Translation: they don't believe what I believe. Can I please try to get a realistic discussion here? Come on, folks.



    Treason would be nice? That's sickening. God Bless America.
    Open rebellion against the government of California is not "treason", since no citizen owes his allegiance to that state, but to the national government, assuming the national government itself is obeying the Constitution. (Which it isn't)

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    What makes you think that every single politician is corrupt and needs to go. there's some good people there, just trying to do what they think is right.
    You're right.

    Just give the Democrats the old heave-ho and see if the Republicans can figure out that they're next if they don't fix things.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    By doing what, exactly?
    By being stupid, of course.

    That's what happens when you keep sending the same people, or their identical twins, to government to do the exact same things they've been doing that have been wreaking havoc on the state's finances.

    I mean, the California Political Review wrote an article about the economic train wreck back when Wilson was messing things up. Just think, Wilson looks sane compared to the clowns we've had since, and he was a terrible, liberal, socialist governor.

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    Re: Fixing california

    The only way to fix California is to sink it into the ocean.

    You see, Lex Luthor was really the good guy of Superman 1.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Open rebellion against the government of California is not "treason", since no citizen owes his allegiance to that state, but to the national government, assuming the national government itself is obeying the Constitution. (Which it isn't)
    Better than my answer.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You're right.

    Just give the Democrats the old heave-ho and see if the Republicans can figure out that they're next if they don't fix things.
    The Republicans were the ones who betrayed us. They need to be thrown out first.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    I do not believe that reasonable people could have seen through enough to neutralize Arnold's campaign rhetoric, nor do I believe that reasonable people could have done most of what was necessary to change the basic outcome of the political process for the last 5 years. It was a plain deception.
    No. That wasn't it.

    Reasonable people KNEW they didn't want Mexican Partisan, Socialist Activist Democrat Bustamante in the governor's mansion.

    Reasonable people also so the iron fist the Democrats used to prevent anyone BUT MPSA Bustamante from running as a Democrat in that special election.

    The special recall election came in two parts,

    Ya wanna dump Doofus?

    If that passed, the next question became valid:

    Ya want which of these guys as Governor, and oh, by the way, a simple plurality determines the winner.

    Busty Boy was the only Democrat.

    Schwarzenegger and McClintock topped a list of nearly two hundred Republicans, including the comedian Gallagher, who I would have loved to seen smashing melons in the legislature....

    So reasonable people had to decide, based on the bias of the LA Times and the other biased pro-Busty media, if McClintock, who was the only qualified candidate on the whole ballot, would pull in enough votes to halt MPSA Bustamante or if they should throw in with the completely inexperienced Kennedy candidate of dubious political savvy or ideology, simply to make sure that MPSA Bustamante didn't get in.

    As it stands, The Kennedy Candidate recieved 4.2 million votes, MPSA Bustamante got 2.7 million, and McClintock recieved 1.2 million votes.

    It would have been nice if the inexperienced hack actor had stayed out of the picture, since McClintock had the answers and the experience to do the job well. Since the bad actor was going to draw a hill of votes anyway, many reasonable people decided that splitting the GOP vote, which MPSA Bustamante and the slimy Democrats were depending on, was a the worst option, and thus many voted for the bad actor as a precaution.

    Just think how bad California would be now if MPSA Bustamante had infected the governor's mansion in Sacramento.

    Lots of reasonable people saw straight through Schwarzenegger, but they were also smart enough to figure the consequences. He was there, one had to deal with that fact.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    The Republicans were the ones who betrayed us. They need to be thrown out first.
    Grow up.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    While it's nice to talk about what should be done, the simple fact is that there isn't anything can be done. So much of the basic financial problems are untouchable, we have massive bond issues that have driven us into bankruptcy, we have ridiculous union contracts that are completely untouchable, we have an initiative process that lets a simple majority vote in massive new spending that cannot be undone by law. etc. While a lot of those ideas would be great once we get out from under the huge debt we're currently in, unless we can do that, they're all pointless. The damage is already done and cannot easily be undone. We need a bankruptcy of some sort that can free us from those obligations, even for a little while, so we can get the rest of our financial house in order.

    The best thing we can do, to be honest, is to get serious redistricting done so that every district is in contention and the legislature can stop appealing to a tiny minority of voters on a minuscule number of issues because they know that their districts are entirely safe. Even now, when we're $26 billion in the hole, Democratic legislators want to spend another $30 billion frivilously and tax the hell out of voters to pay for it.

    It's insane, but I don't think there's the will in the state to stop it. It's been a disaster for far too long. A real fix would require a Constitutional Convention to fix our inherently broken State Constitution and get rid of the ridiculous Initiative process. That won't happen either.

    The people paying the taxes have on last response.

    They vote with their feet and move out.

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