View Poll Results: What should be done to fix California

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  • Repeal Term Limits

    6 22.22%
  • Reform Initiative Process

    8 29.63%
  • Remove Auto-Pilot Spending

    13 48.15%
  • Do Away With 2/3 Requirement

    8 29.63%
  • Reform Prop 13

    7 25.93%
  • Other

    18 66.67%
  • Nothing Should Be Done

    4 14.81%
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Thread: Fixing california

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I hate to be rude to you Californians but this is what I want to happen.

    There will be no change in behavior unless punishment is dealt to all those whose brought this on themselves.
    California was lied to and has been lied to over a decade and betrayed over five years. Californians voted based upon our best idea of the information at the time.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Who do you count as "brought this on themselves"? And don't you think the implosion of the largest state, both in terms of population and economy, will effect you too?
    Stop being so materialistic. A government immune from counteraction will never improve on its own. You are allowing severe abuses and withdrawals of freedoms.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    California was lied to and has been lied to over a decade and betrayed over five years. Californians voted based upon our best idea of the information at the time.
    People allow themselves to be deceived.

    The information is always available but if all you do is listen to political talking points, it proves that your a gigantic idiot (not you specifically).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    People allow themselves to be deceived.

    The information is always available but if all you do is listen to political talking points, it proves that your a gigantic idiot (not you specifically).
    I do not believe that this case fits your sociological header.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    I do not believe that this case fits your sociological header.
    What do you mean?
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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    What do you mean?
    I do not believe that reasonable people could have seen through enough to neutralize Arnold's campaign rhetoric, nor do I believe that reasonable people could have done most of what was necessary to change the basic outcome of the political process for the last 5 years. It was a plain deception.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    I do not believe that reasonable people could have seen through enough to neutralize Arnold's campaign rhetoric, nor do I believe that reasonable people could have done most of what was necessary to change the basic outcome of the political process for the last 5 years. It was a plain deception.
    They could have but your average voter doesn't usually research past campaign rhetoric, so what do you expect?

    As the old saying goes, you reap what you sow.
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    Re: Fixing california

    While it's nice to talk about what should be done, the simple fact is that there isn't anything can be done. So much of the basic financial problems are untouchable, we have massive bond issues that have driven us into bankruptcy, we have ridiculous union contracts that are completely untouchable, we have an initiative process that lets a simple majority vote in massive new spending that cannot be undone by law. etc. While a lot of those ideas would be great once we get out from under the huge debt we're currently in, unless we can do that, they're all pointless. The damage is already done and cannot easily be undone. We need a bankruptcy of some sort that can free us from those obligations, even for a little while, so we can get the rest of our financial house in order.

    The best thing we can do, to be honest, is to get serious redistricting done so that every district is in contention and the legislature can stop appealing to a tiny minority of voters on a minuscule number of issues because they know that their districts are entirely safe. Even now, when we're $26 billion in the hole, Democratic legislators want to spend another $30 billion frivilously and tax the hell out of voters to pay for it.

    It's insane, but I don't think there's the will in the state to stop it. It's been a disaster for far too long. A real fix would require a Constitutional Convention to fix our inherently broken State Constitution and get rid of the ridiculous Initiative process. That won't happen either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    While it's nice to talk about what should be done, the simple fact is that there isn't anything can be done. So much of the basic financial problems are untouchable, we have massive bond issues that have driven us into bankruptcy, we have ridiculous union contracts that are completely untouchable, we have an initiative process that lets a simple majority vote in massive new spending that cannot be undone by law. etc. While a lot of those ideas would be great once we get out from under the huge debt we're currently in, unless we can do that, they're all pointless. The damage is already done and cannot easily be undone. We need a bankruptcy of some sort that can free us from those obligations, even for a little while, so we can get the rest of our financial house in order.

    The best thing we can do, to be honest, is to get serious redistricting done so that every district is in contention and the legislature can stop appealing to a tiny minority of voters on a minuscule number of issues because they know that their districts are entirely safe. Even now, when we're $26 billion in the hole, Democratic legislators want to spend another $30 billion frivilously and tax the hell out of voters to pay for it.

    It's insane, but I don't think there's the will in the state to stop it. It's been a disaster for far too long. A real fix would require a Constitutional Convention to fix our inherently broken State Constitution and get rid of the ridiculous Initiative process. That won't happen either.
    A real fix comes from the people and their pressure. Constitutional Conventions are dollhouse tea parties for political insiders. Nothing will be changed.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    They thought all this nonsense was a good idea, and think more of it is the way to go.
    The problem is, they vote in politicians who are entirely in the pocket of the state unions, you cannot get elected as a Democratic candidate in this state without being on the take from the unions and getting elected as a Republican, except in a few protected districts, is very difficult because you're fighting all that union money. So who is putting all the ads on television and the radio? The beholden Democrats. Who is pushing heavily for most of the liberal-slanted bond issues? The beholden Democrats. It's not really a surprise that people vote for things that are constanly being pushed and since there are no laws requiring these political hacks to tell the truth, lies abound.

    Yes, ultimately it's the fault of the people for voting these morons in and not understanding the impact that their vote has on bond issues, but you have to place the blame where it also lies, with the liberal political hacks on the take.
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