View Poll Results: What should be done to fix California

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  • Repeal Term Limits

    6 22.22%
  • Reform Initiative Process

    8 29.63%
  • Remove Auto-Pilot Spending

    13 48.15%
  • Do Away With 2/3 Requirement

    8 29.63%
  • Reform Prop 13

    7 25.93%
  • Other

    18 66.67%
  • Nothing Should Be Done

    4 14.81%
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Thread: Fixing california

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Spend millions of dollars on a special election if they're not done? No thank you. And that won't fix anything, since the problem is that they can't agree. How will that magically make a compromise happen?
    There needs to be the ultimate compromise: actual, physical, real spending cuts. This has almost never happened before.

    How would that fix enough to matter? And why target just unions?
    Unions are in the top 3 contributors to this budget corruption.

    And what about the unions that aren't corrupt?
    For example?

    Or big businesses?
    Big businesses did not create the insatiable thirst for money and spending in California today.

    Get real.
    There are actual factors leading to the spending corruption currently infecting Sacramento.

    And yes, illegal aliens NEVER come from any place but Latin America. Never at all. Ever.
    Have you ever even so much as vacationed in Socal?
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    How so, Jerry?
    They thought all this nonsense was a good idea, and think more of it is the way to go.

    I'd like to change my vote: Do nothing, let the state sit on it's blisters.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Because we live in a Democratic Republic.


    Sometimes you have to go into debt. It happens. To say never go into debt is a recipe for disaster. Run a surplus during the boom period, so you can have a debt in recessions. It's basic economics.



    We could disband the entire University of California system, and it won't be enough. You don't get it. The gap is too big to make just with cuts.

    Pass a law mandating state spending be limited to no more than 100% of last years received receipts. Eliminate laws mandating special percentages for education and the rest of that nonsense.
    I agree we should remove auto-pilot formulas.


    They allow employees to collectively bargain with their employers.


    They're out there, you just would have to take off your blinders to see them.


    Firstly, irrelevant to the fact at hand. Second, Big Businesses fleeing the state is mostly anecdotal. Good luck backing it up. Thirdly, why should they be allowed to spend money on politics, but Unions shouldn't? Seems unfair to me.



    Then why is their ethnicity an issue?


    Sorry, I meant to say Latino families.



    No, I figure you might be racist, because you proposed we find them by ethnicity, which would include grabbing people who are here legally. And there's lots of reasons I wonder if you might be racist, not just this.

    And deporting Jackasses would inevitably include someone who shows total disrespect to anyone who doesn't share his political views. Who do I know like that...
    Are you simply playing Devil's Advocate? All your arguments are quaint.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    They thought all this nonsense was a good idea, and think more of it is the way to go.

    I'd like to change my vote: Do nothing, let the state sit on it's blisters.
    We did not think this nonsense was a good idea. We were mislead by false promises of a different set of behaviors.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    We did not think this nonsense was a good idea. We were mislead by false promises of a different set of behaviors.
    You mean "we fell for the lies even though we were told the truth".

    I have no sympathy. I hope the economy makes an example out of CA.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You mean "we fell for the lies even though we were told the truth".

    I have no sympathy. I hope the economy makes an example out of CA.
    What do you mean we were told the truth?
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Let's see, in a "democracy", people stand up, make speeches, lie their asses off, and the people always wind up voting for some unknown stranger in a suit.
    If you don't like the American system, you can leave, but it's gotten us pretty well so far. It is what the founding fathers fought for- A representative republic.

    Or, the whole list of people can be put in a hat and their names drawn out, and they can have laws made by strangers who wear jeans and steel toed shoes.
    Why is it relevant that they wear jeans and steel toed shoes? And how do you know you'll get that? For all you know, you'll get someone who wears a suit for a living.

    The first method hasn't worked out too well, has it now?
    I have no fundamental complaint.

    The State of California was going into debt in the 1990's when tax revenues were soaring, unemployment was very low, and business was booming.

    Something wrong with your theory.
    The state was spending beyond their means. I'll be the first to admit it. And I've proposed the above as realistic solutions.

    How about saving deficit spending for specifically defined disasters, like earthquakes greater than magnitude 8.0 or tsunamis? No reason to go into debt for the routine brush fires, the expected floods, or the antics of the natives in South Central Los Angeles or Oakland.

    Before debt is incurred, EVERY SINGLE ITEM on that prioritized listed that is not deemed VITAL should be zeroed for that year's spending. No exceptions, not excuses. It's not VITAL that peole on welfare continue to recieve their checks, there are 49 other states they can move to, for example.
    Welfare is a fairly insignificant part of the budget. I mean, we're at the point right now where we're thinking about closing state parks and schools.

    That's fine....within limits. California had decades of sound growth and high revenues. Where's the "rainy day fund"?

    Politicians lie and steal, that's basic economics, too.
    I never said the state was ran well. And politicians do lie and steal, that's why we pass transparency laws. Better than your ridiculous system of picking people at random.


    No, the gap is not, you're being a wimp.

    Throw away your scalpel and see what I can do with this chainsaw.

    Yo! Little brats! Pay for your own education. Can't afford college? Join the damn army. Too bad if you didn't study harder in the public schools we paid for.

    Yo! Welfare people. Did you know that Arkansas pays 20% more in benefits than California does? No, that's right, we're changing the policies. California is now paying the lowest benefits of any state in the union.

    Yo! Invading hordes of illegal aliens. Special Order 40 is rescinded, the cops can indeed ask you if you're here legally and arrest you if you're not. How's that for a renewed understanding of the word "illegal" in "illegal alien"?

    Yo! Jail people. Yeah, you guards. Ten bucks an hour sounds like a fair wage for the skill levels you demonstrate.

    Yo! Jail people. Yeah, you other guys. You can have as much cable as you like. So long as you like the Teletubbies and Barney, you'll be fine. We'll give you the good uplifting stuff, don't worry.

    Yo! School administrators. We got ya all in a nice line right? See that guy in front of you? One way, or the other, one of you won't be seeing the other at your work next week.

    Yo! Artists! If people don't want to buy the crap you're making, you better start making better crap because the state just turned you off.

    Yo! Chumach injuns? You value your cultural heritage? Yeah? We're about to find out how much because it's your heritage, you get to pay to preserve it yourselves.

    Yeah, it's easy to cut budgets.

    Just tell the people to grow up and stop being little socialist whiners.
    It's impossible to assume you're a reasonable, realistic person who genuinely wants to fix things. All I get is a list of things you hate, and draconian measures you want to enact, without any regard to how much it'd save. We're talking, last I checked, 24 billion. Your "solutions" would be a drop in the bucket to that.

    That's something the employer can decide to do on his own, or not.

    If it's a private business, it's not a government matter. If it's a state position, just tell them if they don't want the job at the wage offered, someone else will take it.
    It's not a government matter, but you trying to get unions banned or whatever you're pushing for is pretty totalitarian.


    Business creates jobs, unions do not.

    The history of union and government is one of unlimited corruption. Time to force a divorce.
    Unions brought us minimum wage and 40-hour weeks. Work places that wont kill you. They have their upsides.

    Actually, I'm not that opposed to business being as restricted from lobbying as goonions are, I just hadn't bothered to write it.

    What I'm really interested in seeing is 100% complete financial disclosure of anyone holding elected and appointed public office, including the full disclosure of the financial records of their immediate families, for the term of their office and for a full decade after they depart public service, with mandatory prison terms for those convicted of accepting bribes and for those offering them.
    I believe that when they're in office, they do have immediate transparancy. But what would you define as a bribe?


    You brought it up, I was merely pointing to the worst offenders, figuring non-racist honest readers could scan between the lines.
    Are you trying to say I'm racist? Get real. You were saying we find the illegal aliens by looking at their ethnicity. Not a mention of anything else. Besides, this is from the same guy who uses Obama being of Kenyan ancestry as an insult. Forgive me if I have my doubts.

    I think demanding a valid US driver's license when making routine traffic stops and arresting those adults that couldn't show proper ID would be a start. Arresting people for loitering at the Home Depot and not releasing those who can't show legal presence in the country is another place to begin.
    It's nice in theory, but what are you going to do with them? Our prisons are overcrowded as it is, and just dumping them in Mexico isn't a real solution. Besides, most of them just want to be able to work and make money and get by, the American dream. How they're doing it is not acceptable and should not be condoned, but people are just people, like you.

    Naturally, arresting employers of these criminals is essential, also, but the heart of the problem is indeed the invader hisself.
    Like I said, most Mexicans just want to be able to work and get by and support their families. "the invader"? Stop trying to demonize them.


    Keith Obermann.
    Or you.
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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Replace the population, they're the problem.
    Translation: they don't believe what I believe. Can I please try to get a realistic discussion here? Come on, folks.

    Completing a budget doesn't matter. We don't care if they can't decide on a budget for the next ten years straight. We must compel the politicians to do things which would cause the unions and illegal immigrants pain. Don't make it complicated. This is a simple problem developed over time by corruption. There is no politician in California that you can trust. We must make politicians' lives a living hell. Open rebellion would be nice.
    Treason would be nice? That's sickening. God Bless America.
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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Treason would be nice? That's sickening. God Bless America.
    There must be a strong and reliable check against government. The charge of treason shows your loyalty. Are you on the side of freedom or corruption?
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Fixing california

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    There must be a strong and reliable check against government. The charge of treason shows your loyalty. Are you on the side of freedom or corruption?
    I'm for fixing the system, not overthrowing it.
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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