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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    I can't speak for the EU, but can compare a bit to the USA. We don't just identify ourselves as Americans, we also identify ourselves by our location in the USA, our party identity, religion or lack thereof, etc. so it isn't a nationalism thing for us so much. Most of us really don't spend a lot of time thinking of what we are, or are not, compared to the rest of the world. We just feel that we are already living in a good place and that is it...

    The old version of Europe was a hotbed for the generation of wars.
    A unified, in purpose, Europe should minimize that. Having a common monetary system and legal system has to be a good thing.

    A common language would probably be too much to expect, tho.
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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    A common language would probably be too much to expect, tho.
    They have one, to a degree -- English.

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No... based on how much they have taken from society against how much they have given society, in the context of tax dollaers.
    Irrelevant. It is nothing more than tyranny against the poor.


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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Irrelevant. It is nothing more than tyranny against the poor.
    Its completely relevant in that it effectively dissolves your complaint that voting rights would be based on income.

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    One thing that Marx got right was that a society's economy directly affects its social state. In the case of regionalization, money talks and local culture has to take a hike. The people behind the making of the EU are only looking at the money side of things. It will be the rich elites who decide just how far the regionalism is going to go... the common people will have no say. They already don't.

    An entire region is going to undergo big sociopolitical changes over time because the rich elites who account for less than 1% of the population want to get richer. That essentially sums up what is happening.

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I would have no problem with a one world government based on that constitution either. If the world agreed and we actually lived by what it says then certainly. When leaders as we have and had don't respect the intent it is purposeless and is a dead issue. I would not have a difficulty with that. I would prefer other but if the world could and would agree to that then yes.

    Is that constitution thing like having preconditions to meeting with other world leaders trying to say that this is the best in your mind?
    The world is able to agree on very little...We have what 700 languages... Is this number increasing or decreasing ?
    Define language.
    We have many "religions" and non-religions.
    Is this quantity changing ?
    I think that it is, ever so slowly, even imperceptibly.
    I favor one world government... 10,000 years from now..
    And I do like your philosophy, Inferno.

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Its completely relevant in that it effectively dissolves your complaint that voting rights would be based on income.
    No it does not. Just because someone is on welfare you would take away a right?

    Sorry that is as I said before nothing but tyranny of the affluent over the poor. You would take away the voice of poor people in government. I wonder what the FF would think of that.

    I see voting as one's duty to country. So I cannot nor would I ever support such a fascist plan.
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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No it does not. Just because someone is on welfare you would take away a right?
    Being on welfare, in and of itself, would not result in taking away anyones' right to vote.

    You would take away the voice of poor people in government. I wonder what the FF would think of that.
    Given the voting laws in effect at the time?
    Applause.

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Being on welfare, in and of itself, would not result in taking away anyones' right to vote.
    You have put forth conditions you would like to see on a right. Either is is a right or it is not. So which is it?

    So you think it would be OK to take away someones right because they are not paying taxes? How fascist of you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Given the voting laws in effect at the time?
    Applause.
    Women and slaves are the only difference, so no I doubt any applause would be given.


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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Being on welfare, in and of itself, would not result in taking away anyones' right to vote.


    Given the voting laws in effect at the time?
    Applause.
    wasn't it adult male landowners only?
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