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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    The more damage that can be done to nationalism anywhere the more i like it. The more countries begin to blend the closer to one world government. Down with nationalism everywhere. It divides and makes us enemies.
    Nationalism does not necessarily make us enemies.
    Ignorance and fear do this...and you may throw in religion..
    We must try to keep things in balance...this is a challange for man..
    The one world government will come......in 500 years....or so

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I think to many people live in the shadow of fear. Maybe it is time for all of us to decide to live and not shake at all the ghosts that we see around the corners.

    I think the EU could do without Anthem's and Flags as well. Maybe if we stacked all the flags of all the countries in a pile and set fire to them we would all realize that we are people, humans and find some common ground. We would lose that idea that we are this or that and become the many.

    We have divided the world and set up walls and fences that keep us apart. Flags divide. Religion divides. Maps with borders divide. Language divides. Then we divide by Race, Creed Color and orientation. It is all so much bull****. It is time that we all take off the diapers and stop sucking our thumbs and live as a world and not cower in childish fears.
    All fine and dandy, but we are dealing with billion of people....we must progress, but we must not rush into civilization...this seems strange...but its true..

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    While I want the laws of the land followed and the Constitution adhered to, we differ on a fundamental level and that's what makes you the fascist and me the libertarian. All your wording points to the fact that you want restrictions on the People. You think people are stupid if they don't think the way you do, you don't want those people having a say in the matter because you have deemed them stupid. Your restrictions are against the People, the rulers of the government.

    My restrictions are against the government, not the People. I don't allow the government to do certain things, especially if what they want goes against the innate and inalienable rights of the individual. I recognize that all government gains its power and rightfully rules only by the consent of the People...all the People (even the ones you think stupid). While this is a Republic and not strict democracy, meaning that the basis is laws and rights not the whim of the majority, I pose no restriction towards the People themselves and recognize their right and duty to control the government.

    That's the difference, we may in practice support many of the same actions, but the base reasoning is different and that's huge because it's that rhetoric and philosophy which places power. You place the power in the government and seek to restrict the people. Fascism defined, everything for the State. I place power in the People and seek to restrict the government. Republic defined, everything for the rights and liberty of the individual.
    I think you just like to call people names. We want the laws followed therefore we are the same. You have added extras onto me that do not exist so that you could tag me with names that I have never in my life been called.

    I want to see that the laws of the land are held pure and clear. I refuse to continue this nonsense with you.
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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    All fine and dandy, but we are dealing with billion of people....we must progress, but we must not rush into civilization...this seems strange...but its true..
    I have said over and over that my world ideas won't exist in my lifetime. I don't think people are interested in peace or freedoms for that matter. They want to hang onto the old ways with guns and swords. They want to wear there little flag and say my country is better than yours. As long as this is the policy of people we will never have anything except the status quo. That means that every so often people need to go running off killing one another. If thats what people want let them have that.

    It will be no skin off my teeth I will be dead in say 40 years or less and I won't really have to give a crap how many people kill each other because they think that is the best way.

    There will be no Utopia because people don't want one. There will always be war because people say there always will be. Most people make their words prophetic. In the light of what people say we see the writing on the wall. We are in for a bad end because people are basically cowards and afraid of real change.
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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Nationalism does not necessarily make us enemies.
    Ignorance and fear do this...and you may throw in religion..
    We must try to keep things in balance...this is a challange for man..
    The one world government will come......in 500 years....or so
    Ignorance is fear and that is what holds people back. They fear the unknown and they want to keep the same old shoes because they feel good. To step out and shake hands with a true enemy as a sign of peace is way beyond the mentality and courage level of the average person. They would rather point a gun and make some asinine preconditions to talk to somebody. The US with it's preconditions is a joke. Just who the hell do we think we are. If I were another nation I would tell us to go **** ourselves with our preconditions.

    Those impede the peace process. That is our fear talking. I am of the opinion that Americans live in greater fear than anyone in the world and I refuse to live that way.
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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I think you just like to call people names.
    I find this very ironic coming from the person declaring people "stupid" and thus should have no influence over the government.

    Sorry if you took offense, but you are what you are. Anyone who places power through the State over the People and wishes to isolate the State and its "innate" power from the People is a fascist. That's just what that political ideology is.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I find this very ironic coming from the person declaring people "stupid" and thus should have no influence over the government.

    Sorry if you took offense, but you are what you are. Anyone who places power through the State over the People and wishes to isolate the State and its "innate" power from the People is a fascist. That's just what that political ideology is.
    You did say that I declare people stupid.
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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    You did say that I declare people stupid.
    Point being?

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    You are saying that certain people are stupid, as defined by you, and those stupid people that you defined to be stupid based on their opinions should not be allowed to have access or influence over the system.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I want a system of laws that morons can't vote for something stupid and change the rights of others. I don't want idiots to be voting changing your rights or mine. That is what I am saying. I what courts that enforce laws not write laws.

    I do not want a fascist society. I want what it says in the ruling documents to be followed . That is exactly what you want. Don't tell me that we are thinking differently on this point. You want the laws of the land followed, is that true? Yes or No would be the answer. Not telling me what i am thinking and what I am not thinking. Do you want the constitution followed. Yes or No. If your answer is yes we are on the same page.
    I have the perfect solution to your woes.

    Implement a new policy which prohibits net tax consumers from voting. If you are living off the largesse of society you've no right to dictate the manner in which it governs.

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    I would like to see a United States of Europe complete with it own army, expand France's Independent Nuclear Deterrent to cover other States.

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