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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lopettaa View Post
    It is Religion keep more people apart and to fight then anything alse in the world. Nationalism is not near as bad to separate people then religion.
    It's not religion, it's people.

    If religion, borders etc disappeared tomorrow I guarantee in a week or so we would find something else to fight about. It is just human nature.


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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What we have is a Democratic Republic, but even in a Republic there has to be some way for the People to exert pressure onto the government. What you have described here is the definition of oligopoly. You are defining things through the State and that is a sure sign of fascism. The State must recognize our rights and uphold our free exercise there of. But what you are saying is that the Courts need to legislate and define what is right and what is wrong. Strictly speaking, their role is not to legislate but to watch the other two branches and prevent those two branches from doing something they cannot. They do not make policy, they merely say if an Executive Order or a piece of Legislation is proper and within the confines of the Constitution. What you want is oligopoly dominated by a few who are untouchable by the People. That is very very dangerous fascism, it's nothing I can support.
    I want a system of laws that morons can't vote for something stupid and change the rights of others. I don't want idiots to be voting changing your rights or mine. That is what I am saying. I what courts that enforce laws not write laws.

    I do not want a fascist society. I want what it says in the ruling documents to be followed . That is exactly what you want. Don't tell me that we are thinking differently on this point. You want the laws of the land followed, is that true? Yes or No would be the answer. Not telling me what i am thinking and what I am not thinking. Do you want the constitution followed. Yes or No. If your answer is yes we are on the same page.
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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    The EU is guud eaten

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    My hope for the Future of Europe: A United Federal Europe.

    I am a dual citizen of the USA and Germany. I like the idea of a united Europe. The first step to getting people to start thinking about what the world needs rather than just what their country needs is to see continents unite. The continent that is closest to this is of course Europe. My vision for this is based on a combination of how the United Kingdom and the United States are organized:

    Captial: Brussels

    Anthem: "Est Europa nunc unita" Latin for "Europe is United Now." Set to the tune of "Ode to Joy"

    Flag: Blue background with 12 gold stars arranged upright in a clock circle

    Relations between member-states: These states are independant in relation with one another. Issues that pertain to only one of these member-states are to be handled by that state's government, with no input from the European Federation's government. Disputes between two or more states are mediated by the European Court of Justice, which is now the European Federation's supreme court.

    Legislative Branch: The legislative branch consists of the European Parliament (elected by direct popular vote, representation proportioned by population) and the European Council (appointed by state legislatures, equal representation). These two institution form a bicameral legislative branch called the European Congress. This institution by only pass laws that pertain to atleast two member-states, not just one. Laws passed by the Congress can not be vetoed by the European President, but they can but nullified by the European Court of Justice.

    Executive branch: The executive branch consists of the European Commision (appointed by state executive heads), which becomes the adisory board of the European President (elected by direct popular vote). This branch is in charge of carrying out the laws passed by the European Congress. This branch is also in charge of creating European Foreign policy with the consent of the EC, such as drafting treaties.

    Judicial Branch: The judicial branch consists of the European Court of Justice, which serves as the supreme court of the European Federation. This is the final court of appeal for cases pertaining to two or more states of the Federation. The Court also serves as a mediator between disputes between two or more state governments. Cases pertaining to only one state can not be heard in the European Court of Justice. The final court of appeal in these cases are the supreme court of the state in question.

    National Identity: While the European Federation has one representative in international political organizations such as the United Nations, the individual member-states can retain their identity in two main ways. 1) The member-states can keep their national anthem and national flag. 2) Member-states compete separately in international sporting competitions such as the FIFA World Cup and the Olympics.

    In the face of growing animosity and agressive nationalism (Pakistan vs. India), Europe must become an example of how nations that were once major rivals (Germany vs. France) can look past the animosity and become partners. I am not just a German or an American or even a European. I am a human and a citizen of the world. We must take steps to create a world order based on cooperation rather than competition, and the next step is getting nations to set aside pride and fully work together.

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Gerstle View Post
    The European Union has provided a common market for European goods and has increased the standard of living in many of the member-states. Many "Eurosceptics," however, fear that as the EU's central government grows stronger as the organization evolves, the member-states lose their independance and their individual national identity.

    What do you think?
    EU is good for economic benefits. No doubt.
    But no to a United, federal Europe.


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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Europe could be a superpower that can surpass the United States. The pieces are there. All we need is a push and then Europe can realize its full potential.

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Gerstle View Post
    Europe could be a superpower that can surpass the United States. The pieces are there. All we need is a push and then Europe can realize its full potential.
    No offense, dude, but no thanks on that.

    The last time Europe had a "push" like that an Austrian runt touched off a World War.

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    No offense, dude, but no thanks on that.

    The last time Europe had a "push" like that an Austrian runt touched off a World War.
    And that was Europe's fault for pushing Germany down.
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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    And that was Europe's fault for pushing Germany down.
    Either way....Europe + "push" == very bad thing.

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    Re: Is the European Union a good thing?

    I will be happy when Croatia, then Serbia join Slovenia in the family, followed by Turkey it is happening.

    The dead ottomans can turn in their graves, the nationalists pizda's in Croatia and Serbia can rot, and the little englanders can read the Mail and Telegraph fall asleep and dream of our lost colonies

    Can you imagine peace and stability in the Balkans

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