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Thread: Federal or State Government?

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    Federal or State Government?

    Given the choice, would you rather live in the USA as it is today or in your state under only the rule of your state and city/town/whatever government? This means no federal taxes, no federal courts, no postal service (your state would probably need to build one from scratch), a state army, international relations with the other 49 states, etc. The laws of your state would be enumerated in the state legal code and state constitution.

    Generally, posters on DP seem to believe that the federal government holds far too much power and the states should possess more. Would you be willing to live at the other end of that spectrum?
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    Re: Federal or State Government?

    I would say my state simply for the reason that no other state/country would bother ****ing with us, so I would get to shirk my responsibility to pay for US defense, etc.
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    Re: Federal or State Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    Given the choice, would you rather live in the USA as it is today or in your state under only the rule of your state and city/town/whatever government? This means no federal taxes, no federal courts, no postal service (your state would probably need to build one from scratch), a state army, international relations with the other 49 states, etc. The laws of your state would be enumerated in the state legal code and state constitution.

    Generally, posters on DP seem to believe that the federal government holds far too much power and the states should possess more. Would you be willing to live at the other end of that spectrum?
    I would like to clarify something. Your question, while interesting, as phrased presents something of a false choice. There is not any inherent conflict between state and federal government--other than occasional overlaps of statute. The Constitution of the United States makes a clear delineation between the federal government and the state government, and arguably erects a wall between the two of greater substance than the oft-mentioned and misunderstood wall of separation between church and state.

    I choose "state" in your poll because I would prefer to see more power in the hands of the states. The Texas Constitution is not perfect, but for a state constitution it does ok. The states should have more power and should exercise more power than they do currently.

    The false choice lies in the implication from your question that choosing the state means disavowing the federal government. What you are asking is whom will give an endorsement of secession. While I fully endorse the right and power of any state to depart the Union and secede, I am not to a point of displeasure in the federal government that I want to see Texas secede from the Union (although admittedly I am much closer today than I have been in years past).

    The true "other end" of the spectrum is nothing more than the original state of affairs under the Constitution, where the federal government exercised a limited set of powers, reserving the rest to either the people or the states. For myself, I very much would like to see us return to that point on the spectrum.

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    Re: Federal or State Government?

    State hands down. I live in Texas and agree with celtic's post about our state.

    I too am not wishing Texas to succeed.
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    Re: Federal or State Government?

    I'm willing to bet that if you asked Americans which they identified as first, a resident of their state or a resident of their country, at least 90% of them would answer that they are Americans before anything else. And I am one of that 90%.

    That said, I do believe that government gets more efficient as it gets smaller and more localized, so I think the states should hold a lot of power, but I don't think they should be their own countries.

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    Re: Federal or State Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnjoel View Post
    State hands down. I live in Texas and agree with celtic's post about our state.

    I too am not wishing Texas to succeed.
    Errr...I think you mean secede.

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    Re: Federal or State Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    Generally, posters on DP seem to believe that the federal government holds far too much power and the states should possess more. Would you be willing to live at the other end of that spectrum?
    You misunderstand.
    Most pro-states-rights people believe that there are jobs (spelled out on the Constitution) that the Federal government should do, things (also spelled out in the Constitution) that that states should not be able to do, and that everything else should be left to the states.

    So, your question is a false dichotomy -- there's no reason to have only the choices you provide.

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    Re: Federal or State Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    Given the choice, would you rather live in the USA as it is today or in your state under only the rule of your state and city/town/whatever government? This means no federal taxes, no federal courts, no postal service (your state would probably need to build one from scratch), a state army, international relations with the other 49 states, etc. The laws of your state would be enumerated in the state legal code and state constitution.

    Generally, posters on DP seem to believe that the federal government holds far too much power and the states should possess more. Would you be willing to live at the other end of that spectrum?
    I want a controlled and regulated Democratic Republic. The federal government does have too much power, but that's not to say there's no purpose for it. Many things should be relegated to the smallest level because it's easier to control things at a more local level than at a federal level. But there are some things best done on a federal level because they can aggregate more resources to be able to do some bigger things. I don't think that people who state that the Federal government has too much power would necessarily be looking to actually break America down into many nation-states.
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    Re: Federal or State Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You misunderstand.
    Most pro-states-rights people believe that there are jobs (spelled out on the Constitution) that the Federal government should do, things (also spelled out in the Constitution) that that states should not be able to do, and that everything else should be left to the states.

    So, your question is a false dichotomy -- there's no reason to have only the choices you provide.
    My reason to have my choices is because if I included the option of "The USA with Constitutional fed+state separation", everyone who voted would choose that. I was wondering whether people liked the laws and infrastructure of their state enough that they'd be willing to live there without the national companionship of the other 49 and DC. I know the beliefs of pro-states-righters quite well, which is why I forced them to make a choice they'd have to think about.
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    Re: Federal or State Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    My reason to have my choices is because if I included the option of "The USA with Constitutional fed+state separation", everyone who voted would choose that. I was wondering whether people liked the laws and infrastructure of their state enough that they'd be willing to live there without the national companionship of the other 49 and DC. I know the beliefs of pro-states-righters quite well, which is why I forced them to make a choice they'd have to think about.
    Its pretty clear that your poll choices are not broad enough to accurately reflect the views of those that post here, and so your 'results' will be skewed accordingly. Your false premise and false dictotomy render the results void.

    You might as well ask people give to their view on child abuse by asking them to choose between continuing to beat their kids or stop beating their kids.

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