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Thread: How big of a threat is China becoming?

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    How big of a threat is China becoming?

    America continues to stick there noses in the businesses of other countries. We do it under the guise of National Security. I find this ironic because I believe we are actually increasing our Security Threat to grave proportions.

    One example is how we have supported Taiwain's dissent from China. I personally believe there are underlying issues of immense proportions with the "True" feelings of the Chinese toward America.

    China continues a huge military build up that "seems focused toward the U.S."!

    China military build-up seems U.S.-focused: Mullen | Reuters

    China has literally been shooting and testing laser beems at American spy satellites when they fly over their territory!

    They are producing lasers to shoot at our satellites and at least be able to temporarily make them unfunctional.

    Pentagon confirms Beijing's anti-satellite laser ? The Register

    China now also has capability to fire a "Satellite-Killer"!

    They can successfully knock out our satelites with missiles!

    Defense Tech: China Tests Satellite Killer?

    Now China has in its arsenal a "Carrier-Killer"!

    They produced missiles that uses UAV Drones and Satellites to track and target U.S. Carriers.

    The missiles have enough fire-power to ONLY TAKE ONE to sink a U.S. Carrier. Or any other American ship.

    The Carrier-Killers fly at Moch 10 with a low radar signature and a flight path maneuverability that makes its path unpredictable.
    At over 100 miles per min this Carrier-Killer can reach an American ship in no time.
    Ships have no defense against a ballistic missile attack.

    New Concerns Over Chinese 'Carrier-Killer'

    Tawain is still clearly in China's sites and we have been sticking our necks out for Taiwain.

    China Military Buildup Analyzed - CBS News

    Do you believe China is an impending threat to the U.S.?

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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Of course they are a threat. They are the most populous nation in the world and they possess the fastest growing economy in the world. Do they intend to attack? I do not think so, but I think they are solidifying their position in the world as they expect to be the next greatest world power. As such, the U.S. is their biggest threat, so it is best to be prepared.

    China has more to gain from good relations with the U.S. however from the economic benefit it provides. The U.S. consumes more Chinese goods than any nation in the world, thus I would say they are the biggest potential threat, but are more defensive in nature than many would suppose.

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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Of course they are a threat. They are the most populous nation in the world and they possess the fastest growing economy in the world. Do they intend to attack? I do not think so, but I think they are solidifying their position in the world as they expect to be the next greatest world power. As such, the U.S. is their biggest threat, so it is best to be prepared.

    China has more to gain from good relations with the U.S. however from the economic benefit it provides. The U.S. consumes more Chinese goods than any nation in the world, thus I would say they are the biggest potential threat, but are more defensive in nature than many would suppose.
    What about our involvement with Taiwain's dissent? You think they're turning the other cheek?

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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Militarily?

    Relatively low.

    Economically, high. Selling $600 billion in US debt at once would likely destroy the US dollar along with our economy. The more China moves away from integration with the US, the higher the danger level.
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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    What about our involvement with Taiwain's dissent? You think they're turning the other cheek?
    Not at all, the Taiwan situation effects everything that China does. This is the reason China, in the UN, stands against any international intervention in domestic, soverign affairs in relation to any nation. However, China has learned much over the past few decades and are now working to win the hearts of the Taiwanese people. Open flights between Taiwan and China are the first step in reunification. China is also using much propaganda to strengthen the kinship feelings between the two peoples, who are essentially one anyway. To openly attack Taiwan, as has been tried in the past by Mao for one, would only hurt the economy of China. Thus, as China is angered at any American support of Taiwan, they are indeed looking past it as they negotiate with America on trade agreements and other lucrative endeavours.

    Will this last forever? Perhaps not, but as China rises, they will indeed keep the previous American promises to help Taiwan in mind as they develop their military. To not be prepared for a possible confrontation would be imprudent for the Chinese government. The biggest threat China poses now is economically. At their current rate of growth, they will surpass the U.S. by 2015.

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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Militarily?

    Relatively low.

    Economically, high. Selling $600 billion in US debt at once would likely destroy the US dollar along with our economy. The more China moves away from integration with the US, the higher the danger level.
    You need to take into account the damage to the Chinese economy if we were to stop buying goods made by them. It would destroy their growing middle class, as well as the factory workers. I see the situation as an economic Mutual Assured Destruction.
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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    You need to take into account the damage to the Chinese economy if we were to stop buying goods made by them.
    No need. I fully understand the damage that would happen if we stopped trading with them now. It's partially a reason why the PRC has bought up so much debt in the first place. We are essentially buying their goods with their money and trading debt in the first place.

    However, you missed my later point. As China untangles itself from US trade and starts replacing US trade with Brazilian, South Korea, Indian and other countries as major trading partners to replace US demand, then its large holdings of US debt become a financial weapon far more damaging then anything other than nuclear weapons. Hence as foreign demand replaces US demand, the danger of that the $600 billion in debt grows. Right now it's not that big of an issue, but potentially, it's epic.

    I talked about this several times last year. The Uber-nationalist should be pooing in their pants over Decoupling.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057856661
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057675745
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...ecoupling.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1057580939
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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    You need to take into account the damage to the Chinese economy if we were to stop buying goods made by them. It would destroy their growing middle class, as well as the factory workers. I see the situation as an economic Mutual Assured Destruction.
    An EMAD eh? I agree. I hear people talk about how bad they could hurt us if they wanted, but it goes both ways... we are better as trading partners than not.
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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    An EMAD eh? I agree. I hear people talk about how bad they could hurt us if they wanted, but it goes both ways... we are better as trading partners than not.
    For the time being. But decoupling is clearly happening. When US demand is replaced to sufficiently large extent by demand from other countries, we're going to see veiled threats coming out of China about mass sell offs. The question is not if, but when that point comes.
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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Majour threat, and majour corporate interests are allowing this to take place in the name of cheap labour. We are basically ripping out the heart of Western Industrial strenght,and handing it to China. When the Tigers have finished fighting for the scraps, the Chinese Dragon will swoop down from its lofty cliff and eat us all alive.


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