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Thread: How big of a threat is China becoming?

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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Militarily?

    Relatively low.

    Economically, high. Selling $600 billion in US debt at once would likely destroy the US dollar along with our economy. The more China moves away from integration with the US, the higher the danger level.
    A Chinese guy on this forum has stated that just before 9/11 China had threatened to drop U.S. Currency and start a Communist Finance Revolution.

    I haven't tried to verify if it was true yet...

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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    For the time being. But decoupling is clearly happening. When US demand is replaced to sufficiently large extent by demand from other countries, we're going to see veiled threats coming out of China about mass sell offs. The question is not if, but when that point comes.
    We have other options too. China is not the only market, and we have other ways of pressuring the world market...

    I only wish that we had been more firm with China from the onset, rather than allow our greedy business leaders import **** good from China that undercut our own workers...
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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Your question implies military threat. And the answer is none whatsoever. But that hardly means they are not a threat. Economically they are going to be a superpower. They are already our banker.
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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Militarily?

    Relatively low.

    Economically, high. Selling $600 billion in US debt at once would likely destroy the US dollar along with our economy. The more China moves away from integration with the US, the higher the danger level.
    On the other hand, our economies are so interconnected (i.e., the U.S. economic downturn has also negatively impacted China's economy), doing so would be economic suicide.

    But, the potential for the Chinese to CONTROL our policy decisions by controlling our debt should not be understated.

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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    p.s. I don't believe that China poses nearly the threat of instability to us that Mexico and/or Central America do.

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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    p.s. I don't believe that China poses nearly the threat of instability to us that Mexico and/or Central America do.
    For your first point on our interconnected economies, China is expanding into other markets. The point, as I think some have made earlier, is that they will sell off the U.S. debt into another currency in the future, thereby destroying the dollar and the buying power it has.

    Why, do you think Mexico and Central America will destabilize the U.S.?

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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    The point, as I think some have made earlier, is that they will sell off the U.S. debt into another currency in the future, thereby destroying the dollar and the buying power it has.
    What the hell does that mean?
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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Why, do you think Mexico and Central America will destabilize the U.S.?
    Not necessarily destabilize us, but having an unstable third world country that can't control it's own populace, is not a good thing. We practically have a war on our Southern border between the Mexican government and the Mexican drug lords (who are better funded and better equipped).

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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    What the hell does that mean?
    It means that China can decrease the value of the dollar by piece-meal selling off our debt into other currencies. By taking on another currency, China can set the trade standard and it will cut our throats. Of course at the moment, they need the dollar strong because we are their biggest customers. Later, as other markets rise, that will change.

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    Re: How big of a threat is China becoming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Not necessarily destabilize us, but having an unstable third world country that can't control it's own populace, is not a good thing. We practically have a war on our Southern border between the Mexican government and the Mexican drug lords (who are better funded and better equipped).
    These countries were much better off before NAFTA and CAFTA was introduced and U.S. agro-businesses flooded the markets in Mexico and Central America, thereby wiping-out the possibility of farming as an option for those people anylonger.

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