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Thread: Has the President said and done enough with regards to the Iranian protesters?

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    Has the President said and done enough with regards to the Iranian protesters?

    There's No False Choice on Iran

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/us...l?ref=politics

    Paul Wolfowitz - Obama Needs to Change Stance on Iran

    Is the United States saying and doing enough about events in Iran?

    (Crap, browser cratered and wouldn't let me add the poll....Mods, can you help a fella out and put a "Yes"/"No" poll here?)
    Last edited by celticlord; 06-21-09 at 10:58 AM.

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    Re: Has the President said and done enough with regards to the Iranian protesters?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Sure. I honestly don't know what else he could or should be doing. It's not really our business, and I don't know that getting more involved will be productive.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Has the President said and done enough with regards to the Iranian protesters?

    While you type in poll options(I assume that is what you are doing), let me say that I think I would have liked to see him be a bit more vocal in condemning false elections, but I don't think he wants to say too much. It's a no-win situation for us, and I suspect no matter what happens, Iran will end up with a government hostile to us and Israel.

    I wonder if covert aide might not bad a good thing to do, but of course, we might very well be doing that...not like we would know.

    edit: see what I get for assuming....

    With just a yes or no option, I would go with yes, as that is closer to my views than no.
    Last edited by Redress; 06-21-09 at 11:01 AM.

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    Re: Has the President said and done enough with regards to the Iranian protesters?

    Definitely yes.
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

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    Re: Has the President said and done enough with regards to the Iranian protesters?

    Seeing how both sides in the dispute have people in the streets chanting "Allah Akbar", saying nothing & taking no action may be the best route.

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    Re: Has the President said and done enough with regards to the Iranian protesters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    While you type in poll options(I assume that is what you are doing), let me say that I think I would have liked to see him be a bit more vocal in condemning false elections, but I don't think he wants to say too much. It's a no-win situation for us, and I suspect no matter what happens, Iran will end up with a government hostile to us and Israel.
    I don't believe the situation is a "no win" situation.

    What matters most of all is that the Iranian people have a fair and honest election, free from taint. If the United States stands for nothing else, it should stand for the primacy of the electoral process.

    Talking up a clear, forceful, unequivocal stand would have a beneficial effect on events in Iran.

    Externally, it would move other nations to line up either in favor of essentially a stolen election and a corrupt regime or in favor of a protest movement that at the surface asks for nothing more than a free and fair election. With democratic traditions deeply ingrained in most of the world's leading nations, such a stance would give a common international cause around which international opinion can coalesce without explicitly endorsing either Ahamenijad or Mousavi.

    Internally, such a stance would let the protesters know that their cries have merit, and that their cause is seen favorably by the world. Such a stance would put pressure on Khamenei to have an accurate and honest ballot count or a new election.Khamenei cannot ignore the wider world, because Iran has ambitions in the wider world. It is within the power of the international community to grant or withhold that which Khamenei and Ahamenijad desire above all: validation as a main power-broker in the Middle East; they seek a wider sphere of influence, and the goodwill of nations is necessary for them to get it.

    Direct support and intervention would be a mistake, because Iranians must be able to choose Iran's destiny; we should not choose it for them.

    By giving moral support to the protesters now, with preparation to recognize and aid them later, we have a chance to turn an enemy, if not into a friend, at least into a neutral party.

    There is not a lot we can do. There is much more that we can say; there is much more we should say.

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    Re: Has the President said and done enough with regards to the Iranian protesters?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    There's No False Choice on Iran

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/us...l?ref=politics

    Paul Wolfowitz - Obama Needs to Change Stance on Iran

    Is the United States saying and doing enough about events in Iran?

    (Crap, browser cratered and wouldn't let me add the poll....Mods, can you help a fella out and put a "Yes"/"No" poll here?)
    I haven't heard or seen anything he's said, and yes, I've heard and seen enough.

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    Re: Has the President said and done enough with regards to the Iranian protesters?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    (Crap, browser cratered and wouldn't let me add the poll....Mods, can you help a fella out and put a "Yes"/"No" poll here?)
    If you, as the author, click "Thread Tools" and then "Add a poll"....

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    Re: Has the President said and done enough with regards to the Iranian protesters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If you, as the author, click "Thread Tools" and then "Add a poll"....
    Tried that...browser was non cooperative.

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    Re: Has the President said and done enough with regards to the Iranian protesters?

    Yes, for now. If the situation changes, and the Iranians start mass slaughter, then this should be re-evaluated.

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