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Thread: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Military

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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    There is one way I can see the military option having good results--create something akin to the French Foreign Legion.

    Let people enlist in such a unit with none of the usual background checks, et cetera. They don't even have to use their real names. Whatever name they use when they sign up, they can continue to use when their enlistment is up.

    It would give some people a chance for a clean break with a screwed up past without undermining the professionalism of the regular military.

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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    There is one way I can see the military option having good results--create something akin to the French Foreign Legion.

    Let people enlist in such a unit with none of the usual background checks, et cetera. They don't even have to use their real names. Whatever name they use when they sign up, they can continue to use when their enlistment is up.

    It would give some people a chance for a clean break with a screwed up past without undermining the professionalism of the regular military.
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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    This stupid argument comes up on occasion in the UK the British Armed Forces are some of the most dedicated and proffesional in the world they do not want to go back to the days of "press ganging" or the "Black and Tans"

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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    There is one way I can see the military option having good results--create something akin to the French Foreign Legion.

    Let people enlist in such a unit with none of the usual background checks, et cetera. They don't even have to use their real names. Whatever name they use when they sign up, they can continue to use when their enlistment is up.

    It would give some people a chance for a clean break with a screwed up past without undermining the professionalism of the regular military.
    Violent criminals should be placed in the military where special units called gangs will be created. They get their own patches and colors. Then when war breaks out we let these gangs loose on the enemy.

    We bring gang violence to a whole new level.
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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Violent criminals should be placed in the military where special units called gangs will be created. They get their own patches and colors. Then when war breaks out we let these gangs loose on the enemy.

    We bring gang violence to a whole new level.
    In an urban environment that might actually be effective.

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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    So this has come up a few time at work.

    Should Judge have the choice to give defender who are none-violent and facing prison time choice either the Military or Jail.

    Back in the day it used to be a very comman thing for Judges to give first timer's the choice.
    Yes, this is true; however, the practice led to a military that was nearly 40% former criminals. This caused certain issues for military commanders at home and abroad.

    The criminal element was often harder to control and often caused their unit-mates to endure punishments they otherwise would not have.

    I would imagine this fact was what led to the termination of that option. Also -- local judges do not have the constitutional authority to order a citizen to join an all volunteer military.

    So... there are legal complications that make such an option unlikely to return.

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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Just based on my experiences I would tend to suspect that far too many of these type people would not make it through their time in the military. The military does teach discipline, but the groundwork has to already be there for it to work.
    I see your point, maybe someone on borderline, but not all criminals.
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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    Absolutely not. No way no how, having an all volunteer army has many perks and subverting that will not make anything better. Plus the choice to join our military needs to be free of any government coercion.
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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    Itíd be better for them to serve in humanitarian and support roles as enlisted men, but I think itís a great idea. Maybe we could shoot them if they're insubordinate? lol In all seriousness, the primary reason I say this is because for minor offenders, prison usually serves to deny them future contemporary work opportunities, which would encourage recidivism. Even a crappy position in the military would make it much more likely that they would be reformed and become productive members of society instead of costing us more prison space down the road.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    One of the ingredients necessary to maintain a strong force is to ensure that the members are volunteers. Each member knows what he is signing up for and understands the possibilities (even though some become "suprised" when ordered to fullfill that obligation).

    By opening the military up as an alternative to jail time, the military would get flooded with criminals, insubordination problems, and half-hearted souls. In other words, societies messes would become our messes only they will now be armed and trained to kill. The military's role is to protect America and its interests. Not to correct societies garbage.
    For how much we spend on it, it'd be nice if we could get more out of it and use it to save costs elsewhere. I'm not sure why you think the military is strong because it's all-volunteer. We spend as much as the rest of the world combined, and we have technology decades ahead of most threats. Sure our training is top notch too, but gee, I wonder why we're the best, lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnjoel View Post
    Boot camp? Heck yeah. Military? No thanks.

    I'd like the guy/gal defending my country to be top notch, shoot straight and come home in one piece. Not coming down off of meth.

    Non-violent drug offenses need to be let go into programs of rehabilitation for their illness, addiction, and dependence on drugs.

    Non-violent financial offenses such as fraud should relegate that criminal to minimum wage or just enough to survive, and never allowed to work around money again unless its their own.

    This way the prison system and non-violent offenders don't have to have their enormous and state-wide bankrupting systems fall apart in the next 10-20 years. Less privately or 3rd party funded prisons.

    Also we can greatly reduce our ridiculously high percentage of prison inmates. As it is 1 in 100 people are in jail.
    Which is also the highest in the world, on the books at least. Yeah, probably should give most non-violent offenders a chance to avoid prison, but for financial crimes it would be more along the lines of compensating victims and doing community service when possible.

    As for "non-violent drug crimes" that are also not financial, those shouldn't be crimes at all. If they can be addicted to drugs without victimizing anybody, let them be. We have bigger fish to fry.

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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    That would IMO be cruel and unusual punishment.
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