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Thread: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Military

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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Why would you single out a particular musical instrument? If judges are go ind to send other musicians into the military, viol players should get the same treatment.
    Hmmm......(contemplating the deterrent effect of sentencing criminals to marching band).....

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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    So this has come up a few time at work.

    Should Judge have the choice to give defender who are none-violent and facing prison time choice either the Military or Jail.

    Back in the day it used to be a very comman thing for Judges to give first timer's the choice.
    I'm curious how those criminals who chose military service turned out...did they make it through basic training....how well did they serve their country....what was the recidivism rate after they were satisfactorily discharged from service...?

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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    I don't think it's a bad idea for first-time non-violent offenders that the judge determines might get something out of a regimented lifestyle, but I don't think the judge ought to be able to act in a vaccuum, I think they ought to offer it as an option to the convict and let them make the ultimate decision. A 4-year stint in the military where you can learn a trade or 4 years in prison where you'll become Bubba's best friend. Take your pick.
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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    I'm curious how those criminals who chose military service turned out...did they make it through basic training....how well did they serve their country....what was the recidivism rate after they were satisfactorily discharged from service...?
    It was unusual for a judge to offer military enlistment as an alternative to jail. There were situations where this was offerred during the Korean and Vietnam War, but not nearly as often as people are under the impression of. However, it was always up to the military if such judicial offerings mattered....


    The Army - Recruiting Regulation, Army Regulation 601-210, paragraph 4-8b: "Applicant who, as a condition for any civil conviction or adverse disposition or any other reason through a civil or criminal court, is ordered or subjected to a sentence that implies or imposes enlistment into the Armed Forces of the United States is not eligible for enlistment.."

    The Air Force - Recruiting Regulation, AETCI 36-2002, table 1-1, lines 7 and 8, makes an applicant ineligible for enlistment if they are "released from restraint, or civil suit, or charges on the condition of entering military service, if the restraint, civil suit, or criminal charges would be reinstated if the applicant does not enter military service."

    The Marine Corps - Recruiting Regulation, MCO P1100.72B, Chapter 3, Section 2, Part H, Paragraph 12 states: "Applicants may not enlist as an alternative to criminal prosecution, indictment, incarceration, parole, probation, or other punitive sentence. They are ineligible for enlistment until the original assigned sentence would have been completed."

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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    One of the ingredients necessary to maintain a strong force is to ensure that the members are volunteers. Each member knows what he is signing up for and understands the possibilities (even though some become "suprised" when ordered to fullfill that obligation).

    By opening the military up as an alternative to jail time, the military would get flooded with criminals, insubordination problems, and half-hearted souls. In other words, societies messes would become our messes only they will now be armed and trained to kill. The military's role is to protect America and its interests. Not to correct societies garbage.
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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    No.

    The military isn't the town dump. If someone has committed crime that deserves jail time, send him there. If it doesn't deserve jail time, don't send him to jail.

    The men in today's military are disciplined professionals, not the cast off dregs of society's rejected classes. Don't insult those men who volunteered to serve the nation by larding their ranks with losers that can't obey civillian laws.

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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Hmmm......(contemplating the deterrent effect of sentencing criminals to marching band).....
    You tell a person he can either go to jail for four years or blow the french horn for two, and he might get confused.

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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    It was unusual for a judge to offer military enlistment as an alternative to jail. There were situations where this was offerred during the Korean and Vietnam War, but not nearly as often as people are under the impression of. However, it was always up to the military if such judicial offerings mattered....
    Thanks for the info. and link. Very informative

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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    One of the ingredients necessary to maintain a strong force is to ensure that the members are volunteers. Each member knows what he is signing up for and understands the possibilities (even though some become "suprised" when ordered to fullfill that obligation).

    By opening the military up as an alternative to jail time, the military would get flooded with criminals, insubordination problems, and half-hearted souls. In other words, societies messes would become our messes only they will now be armed and trained to kill. The military's role is to protect America and its interests. Not to correct societies garbage.
    Thanks for the additional perspective. I have to agree.

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    Re: Should the Judges have the choice to sentence Non Violant Offeders to the Militar

    Boot camp? Heck yeah. Military? No thanks.

    I'd like the guy/gal defending my country to be top notch, shoot straight and come home in one piece. Not coming down off of meth.

    Non-violent drug offenses need to be let go into programs of rehabilitation for their illness, addiction, and dependence on drugs.

    Non-violent financial offenses such as fraud should relegate that criminal to minimum wage or just enough to survive, and never allowed to work around money again unless its their own.

    This way the prison system and non-violent offenders don't have to have their enormous and state-wide bankrupting systems fall apart in the next 10-20 years. Less privately or 3rd party funded prisons.

    Also we can greatly reduce our ridiculously high percentage of prison inmates. As it is 1 in 100 people are in jail.
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