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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Says Switzerland, the UN, the US People, the CDC, and oh yeah, the True Debate I won on prostitution



    I wouldn't stand in the way of such a ban, no.

    Marriage was always about raising children, childless couples were seen as benign exceptions, but if we need to ban those benign exceptions to protect the rule then so be it.
    Once again, this is not about your weird ideas about marriage, please try and stay on topic.

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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Once again, this is not about your weird ideas about marriage, please try and stay on topic.
    Divorce harms the economy, so if you don't see how someone's post is relevant to the OP, ask questions.

    Here's an example:

    Long-term Effects of Divorce
    Effect on Children: Research indicates that children suffer the most at the hands of divorce. There are immediate effects of divorce. They are usually resolved by professional therapy. Generally, most children bottle up their emotions. This emotional cementing directs their approach to life. It shapes and moulds children into fearful and emotionally unstable adults. Thus, professional counselling rarely investigates the root cause of behavioural problems. It does not erode them completely from a child's psyche. These emotions cement and become stronger with time. Social psychologists predict a futuristic society of lazy, emotionally insecure and unstable, anti social adults. Thus, long-term effects usually stem from short term adverse effects of:

    * Bullying and mutilatory behaviour
    * Aloofness and withdrawal
    * Juvenile delinquency
    * Teen pregnancies and school/college dropouts
    * Lack of trust and respect
    * Fear of abandonment


    These behavioural problems are usually treated short term by professional counsellors. But the root of these behavioural syndromes never dies. It gives rise to maladjusted children. This in turn ensures the development of maladjusted adults. Some of the long-term effects are:

    * Emotional instability and insecurity
    * Inability to maintain long-lasting committed relationships
    * Tendency to develop abusive behaviour syndromes
    * Prone to socially inadequate behaviour of keeping bad company, resorting to crime
    * Tendency to spend time in prison on serious criminal offenses of murder and rape
    * Lack of respect for other people
    * Lack of familial virtues of altruism, patience, trust, appreciation, sacrifice, and tolerance
    Examining the Costs and Benefits of Effective Juvenile Delinquency Programs for Youth with BD
    Costs of Delinquency
    • Important to examine costs as a consequence of non-prevention of BD
    • 2.4 million juvenile arrests in 2000 (Snyder, 2002)
    • Juveniles accounted for 9% (murders) to 33% (burglaries) of all arrests for various types of crime in 2000


    Types of Costs
    • Juvenile justice/corrections
    • Lost property and wages
    • Medical and psychological expenses
    • Decreased productivity
    • Pain and suffering
    • Decreased quality of life/societal well-being (e.g., fear of crime, changing lifestyle due to risk of victimization)
    • Since expenditures allocated to delinquency-related costs, fewer resources are available for education/other government services


    Opportunity Costs
    Who incurs these costs?

    • Victims
    • Government agencies
    • Taxpayers
    • Society
    • Delinquent youth
    • Families
    So yeah, unless I have any reason to believe that gay-marriage will be any better than the hetero marriages I already oppose (the one's with children which end in the 50% divorce rate), I'm not going to support gay-marriage because MY ****ing tax dollars are going to be spent cleaning up the mess.

    Support only statistically viable marriages and marriages involving children. That's one way we can cut spending.

    So, seriously, pretty please, stop it with the whole "please stay on topic" bull****.

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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Divorce harms the economy, so if you don't see how someone's post is relevant to the OP, ask questions.

    Here's an example:

    Long-term Effects of Divorce


    Examining the Costs and Benefits of Effective Juvenile Delinquency Programs for Youth with BD


    So yeah, unless I have any reason to believe that gay-marriage will be any better than the hetero marriages I already oppose (the one's with children which end in the 50% divorce rate), I'm not going to support gay-marriage because MY ****ing tax dollars are going to be spent cleaning up the mess.

    Support only statistically viable marriages and marriages involving children. That's one way we can cut spending.

    So, seriously, pretty please, stop it with the whole "please stay on topic" bull****.
    I will stop with it when you stop using every chance to push your stupid and weird crap in threads that have nothing to do with it. We disproved your whole marriage for children rant last night anyway, you had to go hide.

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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I will stop with it when you stop using every chance to push your stupid and weird crap in threads that have nothing to do with it. We disproved your whole marriage for children rant last night anyway, you had to go hide.
    You mean "you had to go to work"

    Economics is part of sociology, so when you discuss economics it's perfectly reasonable to include other parts of sociology, especially when you can succinctly link them together as I just did
    Last edited by Jerry; 06-18-09 at 08:57 PM.

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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You mean "you had to go to work"

    Economics is part of sociology, so when you discuss economics it's perfectly reasonable to include other parts of sociology, especially when you can succinctly link them together as I just did
    I am not discussing economy, I am discussing the current budget.

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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am not discussing economy, I am discussing the current budget.
    Do you realize what you just said?

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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Says Switzerland, the UN, the US People, the CDC, and oh yeah, the True Debate I won on prostitution
    Are they discussing their own personal private bodies, or the bodies of people they're not supposed to own?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Marriage was always about raising children,
    No. Marriage was always about identifying the official recognition of a pair bond and the transferrence of property from the bride's family to the groom's, ie, the wife and the dowry.

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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No.
    Yes.


    10 characters.

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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes.


    10 characters.

    Im going to agree with Jerry that marriage was always about raising children.

    Im going to disagree that it is the same way today, for obvious reasons.

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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Im going to agree with Jerry that marriage was always about raising children.

    Im going to disagree that it is the same way today, for obvious reasons.
    It makes sense then, that as a Conservative, I would want to preserve what marriage always was before, while it also makes sense that progressives want marriage to now become something else.

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