View Poll Results: Where Should We Cut Spending?

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  • Military

    31 40.79%
  • Infrastructure(highways and bridges)

    19 25.00%
  • Social security

    33 43.42%
  • Medicare/Medicaid

    43 56.58%
  • Education

    34 44.74%
  • Arts/public broadcasting

    46 60.53%
  • welfare/unemplyment

    48 63.16%
  • other, please list

    31 40.79%
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Thread: Where Should We Cut Spending

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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Why do you keep on making that claim, despite all logic and facts to the contrary?
    Let's work on this, shall we?

    What does "termination" mean? Why, it means make an end to. The word "complete" is redundant.

    What was the quote in reference to?

    The reduction of the number of government employees.

    When a project is ended, the employees working on that project are either shifted to other projects or let go. When GM stops making Oldsmobiles, it can't shift all the men working on the Oldsmobile line to the Pontiac line. If the government ends welfare, it's not going to have enough work to move all those welfare employees to the education staff, especially since education is yet another federal item the Constitution does not allow.

    So, it logically follows that the termination of a federal program leads to the dismissal of federal employees.

    Let's get to the "unconstitutional" part.

    If it's not specifically allowed by Article 1, Section 8, it's reserved to the states. The vast majority of government programs simply are not in the Constituiton, anywhere. That means they're not Constitutional.

    You can't argue this, you can only lie about it.

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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Let's work on this, shall we?

    What does "termination" mean? Why, it means make an end to. The word "complete" is redundant.

    What was the quote in reference to?

    The reduction of the number of government employees.

    When a project is ended, the employees working on that project are either shifted to other projects or let go. When GM stops making Oldsmobiles, it can't shift all the men working on the Oldsmobile line to the Pontiac line. If the government ends welfare, it's not going to have enough work to move all those welfare employees to the education staff, especially since education is yet another federal item the Constitution does not allow.

    So, it logically follows that the termination of a federal program leads to the dismissal of federal employees.

    Let's get to the "unconstitutional" part.

    If it's not specifically allowed by Article 1, Section 8, it's reserved to the states. The vast majority of government programs simply are not in the Constituiton, anywhere. That means they're not Constitutional.

    You can't argue this, you can only lie about it.
    So if something isn't mentioned in the constitution, it should be illegal for govt to be involved in it?
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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    So if something isn't mentioned in the constitution, it should be illegal for govt to be involved in it?
    You're starting to get the idea.

    Now you're going to come up with some silliness about some technological advance and say "well, what about that one, HMMMMM?", aren't you?

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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You're starting to get the idea.

    Now you're going to come up with some silliness about some technological advance and say "well, what about that one, HMMMMM?", aren't you?
    yep, I was going to say get off the internet...
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    mad Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Regulatory agencies would be at the top of my hit list.

    These are the most dangerous -- the "swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance."

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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Regulatory agencies would be at the top of my hit list.

    These are the most dangerous -- the "swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance."
    wHAT ABOUT THE epa mofo!

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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post


    I want to support Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare, but they're just too costly. If we don't get rid of them we should at least reform them.
    What category is that money going to ACORN? What category is the TARP money that went to the financiers stealing our money? What category is that 747 flight over NY? I didn't notice a category for pork but I guess they just attach it to whatever they want to inflate.
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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    What category is that money going to ACORN? What category is the TARP money that went to the financiers stealing our money? What category is that 747 flight over NY? I didn't notice a category for pork but I guess they just attach it to whatever they want to inflate.
    add medicare and SS and you get 35%.....
    certainly some cuts can be made there. and I say that as a recipeint of SS.
    but look at military....if we didn't go out and get involved in multiple wars on the other side of the world, we might be able to cut that by a third. Instead of being the world wide lead in the war on terror, we should first make the suppliers of terrorists either keep their crazies home, or face delivery of cruise missles to their larger military targets. No war, no occupation, just deliver a message that they can't ignore.
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    Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Government exists to facilitate commerce and communication, and to protect private property.

    Anything that furthers those ends should be well funded.

    Anything that does not should be eliminated.
    You need to live in a country founded on different principles than the one that started its Consititution with the following:

    "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution . . ."

    The preamble is a statement of the functions of government, and it defines them as being much broader than your notion. It is also ridiculous to state that the function of government is to protect private property when in at least one instance, it's activity is to abrogate property rights for the public good (imminent domain), which at times helps to fulfil one of its actual functions, namely: promote the general welfare.

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    mad Re: Where Should We Cut Spending

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    wHAT ABOUT THE epa mofo!
    Of course! Don't forget to add the IRS, DEA, OSHA, EEOC, CDC, FDA, and the multitudes of others.

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