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    Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    The White House has ordered a public review of America's options.

    It opens at a time when the country's relative standing in space is at an unusually low point.

    The Space Shuttle programme which was launched in 1981 will come to an end next year when the last craft will be cannibalised, mothballed or scrapped.
    BBC NEWS | Americas | US mulls space exploration future

    In summary, NASA and the US space programme is ridiculously expensive to fund and maintain, especially in this financial and political climate.

    I call for the continuation of the current space programmes that the US and the West in general are running. We need to stay at the cutting-edge, we don't want China and Russia to exceed us in technological capability.

    Remember, some of the most famous inventions today were indirectly and directly invented by NASA, such as smoke alarms, cordless technology and the modern firearm suit, and my favourite, the satellite dish.

    I see the space programmes as something more than just exploring space, but also as a good place for discovering and inventing new and useful technologies. For the sake of the people, I'd say continue funding the research, if not the space flights.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    I'd close all the public schools, the Post Office, and all public assistance in favor of the Space Program.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I'd close all the public schools, the Post Office, and all public assistance in favor of the Space Program.

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    Kind of cool how a Democratic president was the one who pushed so hard for us to get to the moon, then, huh? I guess they're not all taskmasters or loafers.

    The space program is absolutely necessary, both for the innovation it brings and because if we don't colonize space, someone else will and they're going to have the first crack at the infinite resources that lie beyond our atmosphere. I would absolutely die happy if I lived long enough to see the Doomsday clock disabled as we spread into space, and maybe even to see Enrico Fermi's paradox fade away as we found another intelligent life form.

    Fermi paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Of course, without public schools we're not going to have many educated colonists, but that's a whole other ball game. Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin both graduated from public high schools.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    Kind of cool how a Democratic president was the one who pushed so hard for us to get to the moon, then, huh? I guess they're not all taskmasters or loafers.

    The space program is absolutely necessary, both for the innovation it brings and because if we don't colonize space, someone else will and they're going to have the first crack at the infinite resources that lie beyond our atmosphere. I would absolutely die happy if I lived long enough to see the Doomsday clock disabled as we spread into space, and maybe even to see Enrico Fermi's paradox fade away as we found another intelligent life form.

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    Your link is to note 30 at the bottom of the article. Did you intend that?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Its like a monty python sketch when people talk about wasting money on space programmes.

    What has it ever done for us except- cellphones ,sat nav GPS,satellite tv/radio, cordless tools ,smoke decetors ,protective paint, military intelligence being able to measure the effect of climate change and further our knowledge of the cosmos.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    Kind of cool how a Democratic president was the one who pushed so hard for us to get to the moon, then, huh? I guess they're not all taskmasters or loafers.
    Kennedy was before LBJ and the Great Society decided to focus on subsidizing physical and moral lassitude. Since then, the focus of the Anti-Republicans has been to make virtue out of vice. The party of Kennedy would not be a bad governing party, but that party left Washington in 1964 and never came back.

    The US should gut every entitlement program if that's what it takes to balance the budget, defend the nation, and send people out to explore and eventually colonize other planets.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Kennedy was before LBJ and the Great Society decided to focus on subsidizing physical and moral lassitude. Since then, the focus of the Anti-Republicans has been to make virtue out of vice. The party of Kennedy would not be a bad governing party, but that party left Washington in 1964 and never came back.

    The US should gut every entitlement program if that's what it takes to balance the budget, defend the nation, and send people out to explore and eventually colonize other planets.
    I know this is hard, but could you, just once, try and not spin those who you disagree with into something they are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I know this is hard, but could you, just once, try and not spin those who you disagree with into something they are not.
    Of course I could.

    But why would I? Kennedy had the vision to challenge the nation to send men to the moon. If his presumed philosophical and political heirs had that same vision, they would be respectable. As they have no vision, they are contemptible.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    It's not really necessary. There isn't much that you can do in space that you can't do on earth. he amount of money it takes to do this is large and can be better spent on a multitude of scientific research. It's not going to really yield anything less we throw in a heck of a lot more time, effort, and tons more money. I mean, we can go to the moon....huzzah! But there's not **** there. Anything inter-solar system is going to be a technological feat, you either commit to it or you don't. You can't half ass that thing, it's going to require too many man-hours, too many scientists, too much money to try to half ass it. You either throw everything you got at it, or you research other things.

    BTW, a trip to Mars raises your chance for cancer by 30%.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Public perception severely underestimates the value that NASA provides to our nation and our economy. From another thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    NASA is one of the few government programs that can actually be considered an investment. The unique and extreme technological challenges that space poses give rise to R&D (usually done by private coorporations on behalf of the government) that provide indescribable benefit to private industry and the public alike. NASA's ROI has been estimated at $7 on the dollar. It does not directly generate consumer products, but its benefits are undeniable. Obama's commitment to technology and to NASA in particular made a big impact on me during the primaries, and I look forward to what the space program can accomplish when the White House is actually supporting it
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    For a more comprehensive list of NASA spinoffs you can peruse NASA's site, which has 100+ page pdfs for every year since 1976. Here are a few excerpts from the less comprehensive wikipedia page on the same topic

    Light-Emitting Diodes (LEDs)
    The Light-emitting diode technology used in NASA space shuttle plant growth experiments led to the development of a hand-held, high-intensity, LED unit developed by Quantum Devices Inc. The WARP 10 is said to relieve minor muscle and joint pain, stiffness,and increases local blood circulation. The WARP 10 is being used by the U.S. Department of Defense and U.S. Navy as a noninvasive “soldier self-care” device for minor injuries and pain. The next-generation WARP 75 has been used to relieve pain in bone marrow transplant patients, and will be used to combat the symptoms of bone atrophy, multiple sclerosis, diabetic complications, Parkinson’s disease, and in a variety of ocular applications.

    Artificial Limbs
    Advancements such as Environmental Robots Inc.’s development of artificial muscle systems[4] for use in NASA space robotic and extravehicular activities have been adapted to create more functionally dynamic artificial limbs. Other commercial uses of NASA’s temper foam include moldable materials offering the natural look and feel of flesh, as well as preventing friction between the skin and the prosthesis, and heat/moisture buildup

    Improved Radial Tires
    Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company developed a fibrous material, five times stronger than steel, for NASA to use in parachute shrouds to soft-land the Vikings on the Martian surface. Recognizing the durability of the material, Goodyear expanded the technology and went on to produce a new radial tire with a tread life expected to be 10,000 miles greater than conventional radials.

    Video Enhancing and Analysis Systems
    Intergraph Government Solutions developed its Video Analyst System (VAS) by building on Video Image Stabilization and Registration (VISAR) technology created by NASA to help FBI agents analyze video footage. Originally used for enhancing video images from nighttime videotapes made with hand-held camcorders, VAS is a tool for video enhancement and analysis offering support of full-resolution digital video, stabilization, frame-by-frame analysis, conversion of analog video to digital storage formats, and increased visibility of filmed subjects without altering underlying footage. Aside from law enforcement and security applications, VAS has also been adapted to serve the military for reconnaissance, weapons deployment, damage assessment, training, and mission debriefing.

    Firefighting Equipment
    Firefighting equipment in the United States is based on lightweight materials developed for the U.S. Space Program. NASA and the National Bureau of Standards created a lightweight breathing system including face mask, frame, harness, and air bottle, using an aluminum composite material developed by NASA for use on rocket casings. The broadest fire-related technology transfer is the breathing apparatus for protection from smoke inhalation injury. Additionally, NASA’s inductorless electronic circuit technology led to lower-cost, more rugged, short-range two-way radio now used by firefighters. NASA also helped develop a specialized mask weighing less than 3 ounces to protect the physically impaired from injuries to the face and head, as well as flexible, heat-resistant materials—developed to protect the space shuttle on reentry—which are being used both by the military and commercially in suits for municipal and aircraft-rescue firefighters

    Freeze Drying Technology
    In planning for the long-duration Apollo missions, NASA conducted extensive research into space food. One of the techniques developed was freeze drying. Action Products commercialized this technique, concentrating on snack food. The foods are cooked, quickly frozen, and then slowly heated in a vacuum chamber to remove the ice crystals formed by the freezing process. The final product retains 98 percent of its nutrition and weighs only 20 percent of its original weight. Today, one of the benefits of this advancement in food preparation includes simple nutritious meals available to handicapped and otherwise homebound senior adults unable to take advantage of existing meal programs

    Solar Energy
    Homes across the country are now being outfitted with high-performance single crystal silicon solar power cells that allow them to reduce their traditional energy expenditures and reduce pollution. The advanced technology behind these solar devices—which provide up to 50 percent more power than conventional solar cells—originated with the efforts of a NASA-sponsored 28-member coalition forming the Environmental Research Aircraft and Sensor Technology (ERAST) Alliance. ERAST’s goal was to develop remotely piloted aircraft, intended to fly unmanned at high altitudes for days at a time and requiring advanced solar power sources that did not add weight. As a result, SunPower Corporation created advanced silicon-based cells for terrestrial or airborne applications

    Structural analysis software

    NASA software engineers have created thousands of computer programs over the decades equipped to design, test, and analyze stress, vibration, and acoustical properties of a broad assortment of aerospace parts and structures. The NASA Structural Analysis Program, or NASTRAN, is considered one of the most successful and widely-used NASA software programs. It has been used to design everything from Cadillacs to roller coaster rides. Originally created for spacecraft design, NASTRAN has been employed in a host of non-aerospace applications and is available to industry through NASA’s Computer Software Management and Information Center (COSMIC). COSMIC maintains a library of computer programs from NASA and other government agencies and sells them at a fraction of the cost of developing a new program.

    Food Safety

    Faced with the problem of how and what to feed an astronaut in a sealed capsule under weightless conditions while planning for human space flight, NASA enlisted the aid of The Pillsbury Company to address two principal concerns: eliminating crumbs of food that might contaminate the spacecraft’s atmosphere and sensitive instruments, and assuring absolute absence of disease-producing bacteria and toxins. Pillsbury developed the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point (HACCP) concept to address NASA’s second concern. HACCP is designed to prevent food safety problems rather than to catch them after they have occurred. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has applied HACCP guidelines for the handling of seafood, juice, and dairy products
    You never hear NASA get credit for these things because they only spawn the initial research, which is only commercialized later by private coorporations. NASA's contribution to technology and industry, however, is immense. Other than the military NASA fosters more innovation than any government program, and does it with a comparatively miniscule budget.

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