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Thread: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Only in Master of Orion...or Civilization. All editions.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Trust me, you have absolutely nothing in common with THAT Democrat. Democrats had balls in those days, and didn't whine about cutting trees.
    First of all, who in their right mind would trust anything you say here?
    Second, if someone doesn't "whine" about cutting trees the logging industry in the USA would already be extinct.
    And last, what was so ballsy about democrats pre-Kennedy assassination? You mean because JFK tasked NASA with getting us to the moon before the Russians or because of the Cuban Missile Crisis?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Only in Master of Orion...or Civilization. All editions.
    Including Civilizations Ultimate Hardcore Mode.
    aka Real Life.

    I think they ban it from College campuses in the US..too realistic and it scares the wanna be communists really bad.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Abrogate them.



    Space is already "weaponized", since all ICBM's travel above the atmosphere to get to their targets. Also, all nations that can have surveillance sats up there. Information is a potent weapon indeed. China, Russia, and the US have a-sat capability.

    Putting missiles on the moon is an essential national security step.



    You mean as opposed to establishing safe, reliable, and durable transportation for non-tourists?

    Cattle are cattle, are they not?



    And if it's determined that permanent residendence in sustained low-gee can extend the human life span by twenty years? What, after all, is the main cause of death in the elderly? Strokes, cardiac problems, other struggles of the body against gravity. Sustained zero-gee is harmful, yes. What about 1/6 gee, strong enough to give an up and down for bodily fluid distributions, not strong enough to strain the muscles and skeleton.

    Medicine on earth can't adjust for the gravity parameter, and the human life expectancy has plateaued to the point where gains will be dependent upon whether we can get people to excercise and eat right, and stop shooting each others.
    How are Moon Missiles more effective than Earth Missiles?

    They can be targeted by nations with ICBM's. Change missiles a bit, if at all... and just retarget.
    They take MUCH longer to reach Earth, hence China/Russia launches and we are dead in 30 minutes while they have a couple of days to relocate...

    ...and I have to ask, water on the moon for what, beyond perhaps helping moon colonists grow plants and survive... what? Bring it to Earth?

    You can't be serious.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Including Civilizations Ultimate Hardcore Mode.
    aka Real Life.

    I think they ban it from College campuses in the US..too realistic and it scares the wanna be communists really bad.
    What?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    How are Moon Missiles more effective than Earth Missiles?
    1) Takes three days for the enemy to reach the missile silos.
    2) There's no air to transmit nuclear shock waves, thus greatly reducing the effect of weapons aimed at those silos.
    3) The weapons can be launched from the moon electrically without tell tales heat signatures signalling the launch.
    4) The missiles arrive on target at 25,000 mph. or more, depending on launch parameters., much faster than standard ICBM's

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    They can be targeted by nations with ICBM's. Change missiles a bit, if at all... and just retarget.
    Yeah. Just retarget a missile designed to reach sub-orbital velocity and return to a target on earth to hit a target that requires escaping earth's gravity to reach. Yeah, just pushing a few buttons ought to do the trick....not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    They take MUCH longer to reach Earth, hence China/Russia launches and we are dead in 30 minutes while they have a couple of days to relocate...
    Never said abandon mainland and submarine based deterrents, did I? No, I said add more. Also, time to target depends on the speed of the projectile.

    And, no, they don't have a "couple" of days to scatter. An inert bomb can be accelated at higher rates than human cargos, and the bomb will not be following the minimum energy Hohmann orbits required by the Apollo missions because of weight contraints. If the rail gun flicking the missiles out can acheive a muzzle velocity of 15 km/s, it's possible to hit the earth in a matter of half a day or less.

    Or, it's possible to flick them out so they land in over a week, spreading wonderful poisonous cobalt across the enemy's entire country if they don't surrender immediately.

    Vengeance weapons are like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    ...and I have to ask, water on the moon for what, beyond perhaps helping moon colonists grow plants and survive... what? Bring it to Earth?
    Bring lunar water to Earth? That's like sending prostitutes to the US House of Representatives, isn't it? No, lunar water is valuable precisely because it's up there, and we don't have to spend money to put it there.

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    You can't be serious.
    Actually, I not only can be, I am.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Water on the Moon would be the most valuable solar system resource ever. It would make lunar colonization possible, and yes, men will always be able to do what robots and telerobotic gadgets cannot. If there's enough water, it can be used directly as fuel, otherwise, it's used to supply the colony and the ships passing through.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Poll 38 to 6 in favor of continuing. Motion carried, manned exploration of space will continue.


    Seriously, are none of you opposers excited about the idea of a new frontier to colonize? If not for yourself and your kids, for your grandkids or great-great's?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Poll 38 to 6 in favor of continuing. Motion carried, manned exploration of space will continue.


    Seriously, are none of you opposers excited about the idea of a new frontier to colonize? If not for yourself and your kids, for your grandkids or great-great's?
    I've talked to a lot of those foolish people. Their opposition to Man taking his rightful place among the stars are based on:

    The government should be spending that money on Earth, not in space.

    I guess they never figured out that NASA doesn't actually take that money up in crates and scatter it among the aliens.

    Man shouldn't pollute the pristine environment of the moon.

    Yeah, I've heard 'em actually say that.

    The money should be spent on something useful, like welfare.

    I've never had a use for burdens living at the expense of others, outside of votes, I'm not sure what the Left gets from them, either. Probably guilt, for which they need my money to assuage.

    They've got an unlimited supply of truly stupid excuses.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I've talked to a lot of those foolish people. Their opposition to Man taking his rightful place among the stars are based on:
    Exploration should continue without a doubt, just leave the nukes on Earth, or prepare a contingency at least.


    Man shouldn't pollute the pristine environment of the moon.
    Nukes wouldn't do that, no... not at all.
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