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Thread: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Technology gets lost all the time, even in modern times. There was a crystal laser which used to be made, doped with some element I forget off hand. The laser can no longer be made because the technology to make it was lost. That one was due to the head researcher not quite writing down all the details in the manufacturing of the crystal and when that guy died. the new guys came in and couldn't recreate the procedure to how the crystal was made in such a way as to allow lasing. Mostly things are lost due to improper documentation. How this specific one (the lunar lander) was lost was because after the Apollo missions were done, everything was disassembled and stored. The industries which made everything were disassembled and we no longer have what it takes to get to the moon. We would have to start over, and starting over in an era of different technologies and safety requirements. The old style manner of getting the moon and landing people on it is gone though and we no longer have the ability to go there.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Ok, I understand. Thanks for explaining it.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You didn't answer, you must not know.

    I'm easy, you had your chance.

    The word is "aeronautics".

    NASA is responsible for civillian flight research, and that costs money, lots of it.
    Thank you Mr. Condescending. If you choose to read what I have written, I did not state that NASA should be shut down in its entirety, and I think there are still many experiments and science it can engage in. This thread is specifically about manned space travel. To which I have stated that the amount of resource necessary to fully explore those means are beyond what we can currently fund and the man-hours and money are better spent on other research which would have a more immediate response.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Thank you Mr. Condescending.
    You're welcome.

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    If you choose to read what I have written, I did not state that NASA should be shut down in its entirety, and I think there are still many experiments and science it can engage in. This thread is specifically about manned space travel. To which I have stated that the amount of resource necessary to fully explore those means are beyond what we can currently fund and the man-hours and money are better spent on other research which would have a more immediate response.
    So you're saying that the government should never invest in the long run, if it doesn't generate ROI in the next quarter is should be abandoned.

    Which is how government runs now, and why the US space program is in the shambles it is in.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You're welcome.



    So you're saying that the government should never invest in the long run, if it doesn't generate ROI in the next quarter is should be abandoned.

    Which is how government runs now, and why the US space program is in the shambles it is in.
    I'm saying that if it were to become practical then sure we can invest as we see fit. But currently, it's not practical and we can reap much better rewards through various other funding of research. Part of the reason whythe space program is in shambles is also due to the control the President has over the mandates of NASA.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm saying that if it were to become practical then sure we can invest as we see fit. But currently, it's not practical and we can reap much better rewards through various other funding of research. Part of the reason whythe space program is in shambles is also due to the control the President has over the mandates of NASA.
    Practical Space Research:

    Locating lunar water.
    Claiming lunar water as US assets.
    Utilizing lunar water to build lunar colony to:
    Secure missile silo emplacements, with on-target delivery speeds vastly in excess of any missile launched from earth, making ABM technology that much harder.
    Establish beachead for future lunar exploitation.
    Establish base for solar system exploitation.
    Inspire the coming generations to think large, not socialist.
    Determine the medical effects of continued low gee on human beings as part of a continually developing baseline of medical knowledge.
    Tourism.

    Lots of things, and most of them could be developed within two decades if proper commitment was made to rapidly design reliable systems that work, instead of first establishing career cubbies for politicians and civil service administrators.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Are there international treaty about claiming water and such on the moon and weaponization? Weaponizing space is a rather dangerous prospect in and of itself. Tourism isn't something that really benefits mankind much at all, especially if you're talking about taking money from other research projects to fund the research for safe, reliable, and durable space travel in addition to actually setting up the means for such tourism on the moon. Which would necessarily be true if the goal was somehow space tourism. I'd much rather fund advancements in science and medicine here on earth first as it would have a much larger and beneficial impact than space tourism.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Locating lunar water.
    Claiming lunar water as US assets.

    Right, that would be much more cost-effective than desalination plants.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Inspire the coming generations to think large, not socialist.
    I am truly astounded that you have the nerve to bitch about socialism in the same post that you're calling for a huge government expenditure on something that produces almost no benefit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Determine the medical effects of continued low gee on human beings as part of a continually developing baseline of medical knowledge.
    So you're in favor of government funding medical research here on earth?

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    Tourism.
    What was that about socialism again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Lots of things, and most of them could be developed within two decades if proper commitment was made to rapidly design reliable systems that work, instead of first establishing career cubbies for politicians and civil service administrators.
    Ya. Or...we could spend the money on something that's actually practical.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Are there international treaty about claiming water and such on the moon and weaponization?
    Abrogate them.

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    Weaponizing space is a rather dangerous prospect in and of itself.
    Space is already "weaponized", since all ICBM's travel above the atmosphere to get to their targets. Also, all nations that can have surveillance sats up there. Information is a potent weapon indeed. China, Russia, and the US have a-sat capability.

    Putting missiles on the moon is an essential national security step.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Tourism isn't something that really benefits mankind much at all, especially if you're talking about taking money from other research projects to fund the research for safe, reliable, and durable space travel in addition to actually setting up the means for such tourism on the moon.
    You mean as opposed to establishing safe, reliable, and durable transportation for non-tourists?

    Cattle are cattle, are they not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Which would necessarily be true if the goal was somehow space tourism. I'd much rather fund advancements in science and medicine here on earth first as it would have a much larger and beneficial impact than space tourism.
    And if it's determined that permanent residendence in sustained low-gee can extend the human life span by twenty years? What, after all, is the main cause of death in the elderly? Strokes, cardiac problems, other struggles of the body against gravity. Sustained zero-gee is harmful, yes. What about 1/6 gee, strong enough to give an up and down for bodily fluid distributions, not strong enough to strain the muscles and skeleton.

    Medicine on earth can't adjust for the gravity parameter, and the human life expectancy has plateaued to the point where gains will be dependent upon whether we can get people to excercise and eat right, and stop shooting each others.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What was that about socialism again?
    Don't know.

    I expect tourists to be milked for every dollar they can be had for. That's what the species exists for.

    Why would tourism be "socialist"?

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