View Poll Results: Do you support the continuation of the US space programme?

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Thread: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Are you saying I don't support it 100%?
    No, I meant it as saying I don't support NASA 100%. And then explained why. Sorry for the confusion.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, I meant it as saying I don't support NASA 100%. And then explained why. Sorry for the confusion.
    Gotcha. That makes a lot more sense after being clarified. Although saying "Well I don't" probably would have made more sense than "no" did and it would have prevented any such confusion since I didn't ask a question or seek support for my stance.



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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    I voted for "Only the continuation of research" for now. Space travel will one day become very promising...but right now, the costs are just too prohibitive, the distances too large, the risks too high, and the rewards too low.

    Right now, there is nothing that can be learned from humans exploring other worlds that can't be achieved more safely, easily, and cheaply by robots exploring the worlds instead.

    Space travel at the present time is hopelessly impractical. Now don't get me wrong...I don't have a problem with a few baby steps like the ISS...but if we're talking about actual travel to other worlds, the answer is no. That money would be much better spent here on earth.

    When we have nuclear fusion, a space elevator, and mature nanotechnology...then we'll talk.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    I support looking for Space based resources.
    I support weaponizing space
    I support Space based survellience.

    Everything else is useless.


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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    NASA takes credit for a lot of things that already existed, or were under development, or would have been developed anyway.
    The Space Program keeps a lot of scientists and engineers very busy, not to mention more than a few thousand PR types. They keep a lot of public relations and marketing geeks busy blowing the NASA horns.
    People who believe the propaganda coming out of NASA deserve to pay higher and higher taxes to get almost nothing back, dollar wise.....
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    Kind of cool how a Democratic president was the one who pushed so hard for us to get to the moon, then, huh? I guess they're not all taskmasters or loafers.
    Compare Queen Elizabeth I of England to her sister Queen (Bloody) Mary.

    They were both obviously royalists, and from the same family, more or less.

    This would be similar to comparing John Kennedy to the current crop of Democrat elected officials.

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    Of course, without public schools we're not going to have many educated colonists, but that's a whole other ball game. Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin both graduated from public high schools.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    Its like a monty python sketch when people talk about wasting money on space programmes.

    What has it ever done for us except- cellphones ,sat nav GPS,satellite tv/radio, cordless tools ,smoke decetors ,protective paint, military intelligence being able to measure the effect of climate change and further our knowledge of the cosmos.
    You left out medical telemetry!
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    There are plenty of substances that are rare enough on earth that it could be cost effective to get them from space. As we keep consuming resources, it only makes space extraction more and more viable. Rare earth elements used for high temperature super-conductors available in quantity would be extremely useful. Using robots to mine asteroids isn't inherently that expensive, and dropping them back to earth is cheap.

    Furthermore, we already have to put up satellites and maintain them today, so we are going to need some kind of spacecraft regardless.



    Nothing that Scarecrow mentioned is science fiction at all, all of it reasonable. Not everything may end up being cost effective or useful, but don't confuse innovation for fantasy. The things he mentioned ARE practical applications.

    The whole "humans colonizing the solar system" crowd are the ones you need to look out for.
    Space mining is currently science fiction, and completely impractical to boot. There may be rare elements more common in space, but the technology, money, resources, man power, etc, necessary to get those will all outweigh the means. Maybe at most, moon mining; but even then don't hold your breath. The asteroid belt can't be mined in any efficient means anytime soon, this isn't Armageddon here; there's a lot left to do and the energy requirements to get there are going to be so cost prohibitive in and of itself as to make companies not want to go through with it.

    Satillites and things of that nature are completely separate from the title of this thread which was about space travel in and of itself. That is not practical, nor at this time can the US alone develop means for long ranged, human space travel. Again, I think people get caught up in how "cool" something would be without thinking of the practicalities of the problem. And then in the zeal for cool, you end up doing more harm than good. As stated before, I wouldn't get rid of NASA completely, I think manned space flight is fantasy at this point and the money and resourced necessary to develop it are better spent on other scientific research.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    I fully support the exploration, exploitation, and colonization of space and other planets and moons.

    Having said that, I think we're going about it a bit bass-ackward. Priority One needs to be a better (safer, cheaper, more robust) means of getting to and from orbit with people and payloads. I'm still intrested in the Scramjet concept, and wonder why the Delta Clipper never seemed to generate much intrest.

    Once we've done that, then we need to fully develop one or two of the high-efficiency deep-space propulsion systems we've looked at but not developed: ion drives, arc drives, solar sails, mass-drivers, etc.

    If we absolutely had to, I'd be willing to suspend nonessential space activities for 20 years to put the money into basic research on these two items, THEN we could go about the business of mastering space with far greater effectiveness, IMO.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Space mining is currently science fiction, and completely impractical to boot. There may be rare elements more common in space, but the technology, money, resources, man power, etc, necessary to get those will all outweigh the means.
    One old-fashioned Apollo mission could put 24,000 pounds in lunar orbit. For Apollo, most of that mass was devoted to returning the astronauts back to earth.

    For mining the moon, we could hard-land those twelve tons on the moon, assuming we designed the cargo pod for that, call it a three-g touch down or so. Easy and cheap. This cargo would include a solar operated bull dozer, a pay loader, gear like that, each remotely operable from the comfort of an earthly air conditioned office building. With a three second communications lag, remotely strip mining the lunar soil for exotic isotopes such as He3 is feasible and, assuming the utility of He3 in successful fusion plant works out as predicted, it becomes a commercially viable commodity.

    Other places are too remote for effective remote operation of vehicles more complex than little roving samplers, and men will have to be moved to the job.

    Asteroids are small enough that many can be moved here, then stripped of valuables.

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