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Thread: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Of course I could.

    But why would I? Kennedy had the vision to challenge the nation to send men to the moon. If his presumed philosophical and political heirs had that same vision, they would be respectable. As they have no vision, they are contemptible.
    Kennedy set up that challenge because the Soviets were advancing past the US militarily, and because Kennedy just got his butt whupped at the Bay of Pigs, and he needed a distraction. The boy didn't have a "great vision". Chances are, but my recollection is admittedly a little hazy, the idea of expanding the space program was Johnson's big idea that Kennedy took advantage of. JFK's interest was the non-existent "missile-gap". (If you recall, Dr. Strangelove promoted the idea of a "mine-shaft gap" at the end of the movie...)

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Yes, I support the growth of human ability and accomplishment.

    I also support the space program because it's really really cool. Isn't that the only reason we need?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    I'd like for us to continue to fund NASA to the best extent possible. Our future logically lies amongst the stars. Although its impossible to state whether NASA itself will be the agency to take mankind, and sow his seed across the galaxy, it is a part of that process. With space exploration, you are constantly pushing the envelope of what we know about physics, chemistry, and all the other sciences. Its a building block, for the path off this remote speck of space dust.

    Should we waste money, sitting around here studying the environmental impact man has on the hermit crab, or shall we aspire to a more worthy cause?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not really necessary. There isn't much that you can do in space that you can't do on earth.
    Using solar electric power to launch spacecraft without wasting propulsive mass.

    Perfect crystal production without gravity induced strain.

    Pollution-free production of cubic miles of strain-free iron and steel products.

    Tritium mining.

    He3 mining.

    Low- and zero-gee boinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I mean, we can go to the moon....huzzah! But there's not **** there.
    Titanium ores, aluminum ores, oxygen, silicon, shallow gravity well, mass, week-long days for solar power, vacuum, room, the Farside.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Using solar electric power to launch spacecraft without wasting propulsive mass.

    Perfect crystal production without gravity induced strain.

    Pollution-free production of cubic miles of strain-free iron and steel products.

    Tritium mining.

    He3 mining.

    Low- and zero-gee boinking.



    Titanium ores, aluminum ores, oxygen, silicon, shallow gravity well, mass, week-long days for solar power, vacuum, room, the Farside.
    You're not going to do most of that, especially the moon mining, so keep dreaming. Most other things, especially crystal production can be done on earth. Anything dealing with mining in space will not happen in our lifetime, nor is it really worth the effort since the money and resources would cost more to get something that could launch and mine in space and send back material than you would make on the mining itself. I mean, if we want to just list pipe dreams, sure. The space program could allow us to swim with space whales on Io. But I think we need to think practically when we talk about the usefulness of NASA. There are some uses there, I would say primarily in astronomy and astrophysics. I wouldn't exactly nix NASA, but I wish people would quit thinking Star Wars and Star Trek and think about the practical applications of NASA.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    You're not going to do most of that, especially the moon mining, so keep dreaming. Most other things, especially crystal production can be done on earth. Anything dealing with mining in space will not happen in our lifetime, nor is it really worth the effort since the money and resources would cost more to get something that could launch and mine in space and send back material than you would make on the mining itself.
    There are plenty of substances that are rare enough on earth that it could be cost effective to get them from space. As we keep consuming resources, it only makes space extraction more and more viable. Rare earth elements used for high temperature super-conductors available in quantity would be extremely useful. Using robots to mine asteroids isn't inherently that expensive, and dropping them back to earth is cheap.

    Furthermore, we already have to put up satellites and maintain them today, so we are going to need some kind of spacecraft regardless.

    I mean, if we want to just list pipe dreams, sure. The space program could allow us to swim with space whales on Io. But I think we need to think practically when we talk about the usefulness of NASA. There are some uses there, I would say primarily in astronomy and astrophysics. I wouldn't exactly nix NASA, but I wish people would quit thinking Star Wars and Star Trek and think about the practical applications of NASA.
    Nothing that Scarecrow mentioned is science fiction at all, all of it reasonable. Not everything may end up being cost effective or useful, but don't confuse innovation for fantasy. The things he mentioned ARE practical applications.

    The whole "humans colonizing the solar system" crowd are the ones you need to look out for.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's one of the few government programs I support 100%
    No. NASA sucks.

    NASA totally trashed the American heavy lift launch vehicle program, ie, Apollo, because they wanted to use the argument that without HLLV, they absolutely had to have the POS shuttle to get men into orbit.

    Then they screwed the shuttle design into it's bastard configuration that's cost two birds and killed two crews.

    NASA is a gigantic government bureaucracy, and clearly that's not the best way to get anything done.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You're not going to do most of that, especially the moon mining, so keep dreaming. Most other things, especially crystal production can be done on earth.
    Oh? Really?

    How do you propose we do zero-g crystal manufacturing at the bottom of a 9.84 m/s^2 gravity well?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You're not going to do most of that, especially the moon mining, so keep dreaming. Most other things, especially crystal production can be done on earth. Anything dealing with mining in space will not happen in our lifetime, nor is it really worth the effort since the money and resources would cost more to get something that could launch and mine in space and send back material than you would make on the mining itself. I mean, if we want to just list pipe dreams, sure. The space program could allow us to swim with space whales on Io. But I think we need to think practically when we talk about the usefulness of NASA. There are some uses there, I would say primarily in astronomy and astrophysics. I wouldn't exactly nix NASA, but I wish people would quit thinking Star Wars and Star Trek and think about the practical applications of NASA.
    The only people who think about the Star Trek and Star Wars science-fiction are those who do not work for NASA, nor do they really understand what NASA does.
    Very very very few candidates are selected to undergo the training that the astronauts are required (usually peak fitness levels are required). The rest of the payroll are those who are fixing the problems that arise for billions of dollars worth of equipment and being able to find solutions.

    If you don't think finding a solution to keep a human safe while re-entering the atmosphere is not practical (i.e. materials that are highly resistant to extreme temperatures and pressure), then I don't know what you consider applicable research.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No.
    Are you saying I don't support it 100%?

    Otherwise, saying "no" in response to my quoted statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    Although I will add that your opinion of NASA has been registered, and it has subsequently been filed in my "I don't give a ****" box.

    Anything else you'd like to add so that I can not give a **** about it?

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