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Thread: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    not wasting my time anymore with someone with no background in energy, physics, chemistry, power generation, etc. You read too much Popular Science/Mechanics, and not enough real college level texts...
    You have got to be kidding. Now I must have a degree in physics, chemistry etc to debate a subject even though my position is backed up by real evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Save me some time, rewrite your own post as tho I am saying the same things to you. It will be just as valid....
    That has to be the lamest cop out I have ever heard on this board.

    No trolling or ad-hom intended.


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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    We've two trillion barrels of reserves in oil shale and two independent means of extracting that oil for less than $30 a barrel.
    That gives us approximately 200 years of "delay".

    Stable price.
    Stable output.
    Domestic internal currency flow.
    Defunds terrorist tyrants in primitive places.

    Works fine for me.
    So, why again is it that we are not doing what you suggest?
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    We've two trillion barrels of reserves in oil shale and two independent means of extracting that oil for less than $30 a barrel.

    That gives us approximately 200 years of "delay".

    Stable price.
    Stable output.
    Domestic internal currency flow.
    Defunds terrorist tyrants in primitive places.

    Works fine for me.
    Good point!


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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    neither of which are available to the general public at a reasonable price, so they are not VIABLE.....
    The sun is the source of considerable free energy, but we can't go out and buy one, can we?
    Free solar energy ain't worth much.

    Generally, to make it useful, someone has to spend money to built a collector and processor to convert it into the form desired.

    Also the bureaucratic asswipes at neither NASA nor the DOE are the people to supervise earth bound energy optimization, utilization, or conversion schemes. That's what private investors and the private free market are for.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    So, why again is it that we are not doing what you suggest?
    People who think it is to dangers to the environment etc.

    Does he also need a degree in science?


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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    So, why again is it that we are not doing what you suggest?
    The socialist collectivist politics of carbon, the mythical dream of the Alborites that we can heat our homes by holding hands and singing Kumbaya and other stupid schemes the government dreams up to keep the people in chains painted green.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You have got to be kidding. Now I must have a degree in physics, chemistry etc to debate a subject even though my position is backed up by real evidence?



    That has to be the lamest cop out I have ever heard on this board.

    No trolling or ad-hom intended.
    Where did you present any real evidence?
    I suggested 2 that the link claimed more credit for than they can justify, and suggested googling those topics, and guess what? No valid response.
    A good deal of what NASA brags about were in existence long before NASA came into existence, but they try to claim ALL the credit.
    Last time this came up on DP, someone actually suggested that TANG and VELCRO were invented by NASA....
    what a joke....
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    People who think it is to dangers to the environment etc.

    Does he also need a degree in science?
    Gots me both nuclear power plant operating experience and training and gots myself a gen-u-wine engineering degree, too.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Where did you present any real evidence?
    Go back and actualy read what I posted and don't just gloss over it because it does not agree with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I suggested 2 that the link claimed more credit for than they can justify, and suggested googling those topics, and guess what? No valid response.
    The link did not claim credit for the discovery, it claimed credit for the improvements. Again more intellectual dishonesty.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    A good deal of what NASA brags about were in existence long before NASA came into existence, but they try to claim ALL the credit.
    "Memory foam, also known as temper foam, was developed under a NASA contract in the 1970s that set out to improve seat cushioning and crash protection for airline pilots and passengers. Memory foam has widespread commercial applications, in addition to the popular mattresses and pillows. For the latest Spinoff article, please visit: http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/Spinoff2005/ch_6.html."

    "Barcodes were not invented by NASA. NASA developed a special type of barcode for inventory of space shuttle and other space system components that could endure harsh environments, but this should not be mistakened for the original barcode. Similarly, NASA was not the first to use quartz as a piezoelectric material for timekeeping. The first quartz clock dates back to 1927. However in the late 1960s, NASA partnered with a company to make a highly accurate quartz clock. This clock was on the market for a few years but is no longer available. Further, NASA did not invent the smoke detector. NASA’s connection to the modern smoke detector is that it made one with adjustable sensitivity as part of the Skylab project. The device was made commercially available by Honeywell. The consumer could use it to avoid “nuisance” alarms while cooking. Like the quartz clock, this device is no longer available." - http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinfaq.htm

    "Tang, Teflon, and Velcro, are not spinoffs of the Space Program. General Foods developed Tang in 1957, and it has been on supermarket shelves since 1959. In 1962, when astronaut John Glenn performed eating experiments in orbit, Tang was selected for the menu, launching the powdered drink’s heightened public awareness. NASA also raised the celebrity status of Teflon, a material invented for DuPont in 1938, when the Agency applied it to heat shields, space suits, and cargo hold liners. Velcro was used during the Apollo missions to anchor equipment for astronauts’ convenience in zero gravity situations. Although it is a Swiss invention from the 1940s, it has since been associated with the Space Program." - http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinfaq.htm

    From NASA's web site. It does not look like they are taking credit for anything they did not do.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Last time this came up on DP, someone actually suggested that TANG and VELCRO were invented by NASA....
    what a joke....
    Shown above by NASA's own website they did not take credit for either.

    All of that and still no degree in chemistry!


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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Gots me both nuclear power plant operating experience and training and gots myself a gen-u-wine engineering degree, too.
    I would have to say you the man!


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