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Thread: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So what? It ends up in the civilian sector soon enough.

    More advances have come from NASA in technology's than all other government agency's combined.


    And yet you ignore all the good NASA technology has done.

    [NASA is worth it's weight in gold.
    what NASA developed energy source is common in the civilian sector today?
    NASA more than all others? Prove it.....
    Not ignoring, just adding perspective.
    GOLD? If only....
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    what NASA developed energy source is common in the civilian sector today?
    NASA more than all others? Prove it.....
    Not ignoring, just adding perspective.
    GOLD? If only....
    I do believe NASA paid for the development of the fuel cell.

    They're also responsible for the development of the RTG, the radioisotope thermal generator, are they not?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    first link doesn't work, third link says nothing, second link has a list of exaggerations. Do you really think kidney dialysis and freeze dried foods are NASA inventions?
    They are not exaggerations at all. Give credit where credit is due. You are being intellectually dishonest here.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    That is just 2 from the list. Do an independent search using google on all of the items listed and you will find that most were being worked on prior to 1960. You might even say that NASA is stealing credit for the work of others.
    The only thing exaggerated here is your opinion. Without the work NASA did those items being worked on would not have gotten to were they are today, period. You cannot say the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Did they make improvements? Certainly, but those improvements would likely have happened anyway.
    Then again maybe not. Since you can't prove this, and I have already proved my point this amounts to your guess vs my facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Do we still drive Model T Fords? No....and NASA has almost nothing to do with the constant modernization of the automobile....
    More red-herring, nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Like I said, NASA has lots of PR people with marketing skills spewing out propaganda to justify the enhancement of their annual budget...
    THAT is their primary purpose, to enhance their budget. Same with most govt agencies....
    So what? The benefits we get from NASA far outweigh the cost.

    So far you have yet to post a single shred of evidence proving any point you have tried to make. Your argument amounts to opinion backed by fallacy. Wow, great argument.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Every single government program falls under that category. It is a problem with most governments.



    I would be willing to bet that new energy alternatives will happen based on something coming out of NASA.

    Well what do you know, it is already happening...

    NASA - Wind Energy Research Reaps Rewards

    Department of Energy - NASA and DOE Collaborate on Dark Energy Research

    Renewable Energy Microgrid Research Workshop at NASA Ames | Jack Baskin School of Engineering | UC Santa Cruz

    I fully support our space program. Or any space program for that matter.
    Wind energy, solar energy have been used by man for thousands of years...
    We need more money (smaller class sizes) for our schools and less for more wasteful things such as fed. govt programs (NASA)..

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Wind energy, solar energy have been used by man for thousands of years...
    And through the research at NASA it is becoming more viable.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    We need more money (smaller class sizes) for our schools and less for more wasteful things such as fed. govt programs (NASA)..
    This has nothing to do with NASA. Public schools should not even exist, and is irrelevant as most state property taxes go to the schools. This is not a Federal problem.

    More fallacy arguments, jesh.


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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    How much specialized engineering talent does it take to say "drill here for a change"? Like ya say, the government's agenda isn't necessarily what's best for the people.
    Drilling for more oil, here or anywhere else, just delays the inevitable. We need alteratives to most of our current energy sources, and we need to stop wasting energy wherever it comes from...
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I do believe NASA paid for the development of the fuel cell.

    They're also responsible for the development of the RTG, the radioisotope thermal generator, are they not?
    neither of which are available to the general public at a reasonable price, so they are not VIABLE.....
    The sun is the source of considerable free energy, but we can't go out and buy one, can we?
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    neither of which are available to the general public at a reasonable price, so they are not VIABLE.....
    Not yet, it will come.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The sun is the source of considerable free energy, but we can't go out and buy one, can we?
    Would be nice.


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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    They are not exaggerations at all. Give credit where credit is due. You are being intellectually dishonest here.



    The only thing exaggerated here is your opinion. Without the work NASA did those items being worked on would not have gotten to were they are today, period. You cannot say the same.



    Then again maybe not. Since you can't prove this, and I have already proved my point this amounts to your guess vs my facts.



    More red-herring, nice.



    So what? The benefits we get from NASA far outweigh the cost.

    So far you have yet to post a single shred of evidence proving any point you have tried to make. Your argument amounts to opinion backed by fallacy. Wow, great argument.
    not wasting my time anymore with someone with no background in energy, physics, chemistry, power generation, etc. You read too much Popular Science/Mechanics, and not enough real college level texts...
    Save me some time, rewrite your own post as tho I am saying the same things to you. It will be just as valid....
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Drilling for more oil, here or anywhere else, just delays the inevitable.
    We've two trillion barrels of reserves in oil shale and two independent means of extracting that oil for less than $30 a barrel.

    That gives us approximately 200 years of "delay".

    Stable price.
    Stable output.
    Domestic internal currency flow.
    Defunds terrorist tyrants in primitive places.

    Works fine for me.

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