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Thread: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    or better yet, working on developing alternative ways to satisfy the nation's energy needs...
    Use lunar resources to construct solar power satellites that beam microwave energy to earth based rectenna farms.

    Use lunar resources to construct a anti-global warming mirror in the L2 position that would also serve to do the "ant under the magnifying glass" trick to any annoying national capital the United States wishes.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Every single government program falls under that category. It is a problem with most governments.



    I would be willing to bet that new energy alternatives will happen based on something coming out of NASA.

    Well what do you know, it is already happening...

    NASA - Wind Energy Research Reaps Rewards

    Department of Energy - NASA and DOE Collaborate on Dark Energy Research

    Renewable Energy Microgrid Research Workshop at NASA Ames | Jack Baskin School of Engineering | UC Santa Cruz

    I fully support our space program. Or any space program for that matter.
    Hope you are not holding your breath for any of that to happen within the next few decades, even on a small scale...
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Hope you are not holding your breath for any of that to happen within the next few decades, even on a small scale...
    You said...

    "Our tax dollars can better be spent repairing the crumbling infrastructure that is all around us....
    or better yet, working on developing alternative ways to satisfy the nation's energy needs...
    " - UtahBill

    So your reply is little more than a red-herring.

    A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue.

    They are doing exactly what you requested. Time is irrelevant.


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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    so you have no direct knowledge or bias?
    I worked with engineers at a govt owned nuclear research lab....they tend to waste money proving what they already know.
    Our tax dollars can better be spent repairing the crumbling infrastructure that is all around us....
    or better yet, working on developing alternative ways to satisfy the nation's energy needs...
    No sir, I admit I do not have a direct knowledge or bias. I did a website for Johnson Space Center, Space Center Houston and that is about the most direct contact I've had with NASA or their funding. I don't think that counts.

    The familiarity I have is through a family member who was technically involved as well as a member of my father's band who has designed and built many components of the space station here in Clear Lake.

    I guess most of this information is inconsequential and I probably shouldn't have brought it up.

    However I feel that we should fund space programs simply because we are going to have to find another planet to live on one day, so when is it okay to begin looking? I'd say now, because we can.

    We should fund space exploration AND fix the crumbling infrastructure AND find alternative energy sources to facilitate the needs of our planet. All of it. Perhaps one could lead to another. Re: Helium 3

    Also, I believe that finding energy sources and finding another planet to live on is the same thing. Our sun will not live forever. It reminds me of Issac Asimov's The Last Question
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Thats all well and good, but makes little difference. We work within the system we have, end of story.
    Maybe the system will collapse. Ah we can only hope.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    Maybe the system will collapse. Ah we can only hope.
    Be careful what you wish for.


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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You said...

    "Our tax dollars can better be spent repairing the crumbling infrastructure that is all around us....
    or better yet, working on developing alternative ways to satisfy the nation's energy needs...
    " - UtahBill

    So your reply is little more than a red-herring.

    A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue.

    They are doing exactly what you requested. Time is irrelevant.
    NASA works on energy sources for NASA needs, space and air...
    DOE works on other energy sources...so let's put some of the NASA engineers to work over at the DOE....not that they have a shortage of personnel trying to find ways to get us off the arab oil teat...strange, they have been working on that since the 70's and still we are addicted to arab oil.

    Long story short, I have little confidence in govt agencies inventing or developing anything that will help us.
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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    NASA works on energy sources for NASA needs, space and air...
    DOE works on other energy sources...so let's put some of the NASA engineers to work over at the DOE....not that they have a shortage of personnel trying to find ways to get us off the arab oil teat...strange, they have been working on that since the 70's and still we are addicted to arab oil.

    Long story short, I have little confidence in govt agencies inventing or developing anything that will help us.

    How much specialized engineering talent does it take to say "drill here for a change"?

    Like ya say, the government's agenda isn't necessarily what's best for the people.

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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    NASA works on energy sources for NASA needs, space and air...
    So what? It ends up in the civilian sector soon enough.

    More advances have come from NASA in technology's than all other government agency's combined.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    DOE works on other energy sources...so let's put some of the NASA engineers to work over at the DOE....not that they have a shortage of personnel trying to find ways to get us off the arab oil teat...strange, they have been working on that since the 70's and still we are addicted to arab oil.
    More fallacy. The DOE has nothing to do with anything I said.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Long story short, I have little confidence in govt agencies inventing or developing anything that will help us.
    And yet you ignore all the good NASA technology has done.

    10 NASA Inventions You Might Use Every Day
    NASA Spinoffs - Inventions Benefiting Our Daily Lives - Apollo Spinoff Inventions

    "Nasa has had a hand in developing just about every synthetic material in existence today, agricultural awareness, detailed maps of the earth, measurung the impact we have on the environment, chemicals, alloys, medicinal/chemical understanding, better computers, shock absorbsion, and just about everything concieved or invented within the past 40 years... excluding the set-it-and-forget-it rotisserie. - WikiAnswers - What inventions has NASA developed

    NASA is worth it's weight in gold.


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    Re: Space travel. Is it necessary? Do you support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So what? It ends up in the civilian sector soon enough.

    More advances have come from NASA in technology's than all other government agency's combined.



    More fallacy. The DOE has nothing to do with anything I said.



    And yet you ignore all the good NASA technology has done.

    10 NASA Inventions You Might Use Every Day
    NASA Spinoffs - Inventions Benefiting Our Daily Lives - Apollo Spinoff Inventions

    "Nasa has had a hand in developing just about every synthetic material in existence today, agricultural awareness, detailed maps of the earth, measurung the impact we have on the environment, chemicals, alloys, medicinal/chemical understanding, better computers, shock absorbsion, and just about everything concieved or invented within the past 40 years... excluding the set-it-and-forget-it rotisserie. - WikiAnswers - What inventions has NASA developed

    NASA is worth it's weight in gold.
    first link doesn't work, third link says nothing, second link has a list of exaggerations. Do you really think kidney dialysis and freeze dried foods are NASA inventions? That is just 2 from the list. Do an independent search using google on all of the items listed and you will find that most were being worked on prior to 1960. You might even say that NASA is stealing credit for the work of others.

    Did they make improvements? Certainly, but those improvements would likely have happened anyway. Do we still drive Model T Fords? No....and NASA has almost nothing to do with the constant modernization of the automobile....
    Like I said, NASA has lots of PR people with marketing skills spewing out propaganda to justify the enhancement of their annual budget...
    THAT is their primary purpose, to enhance their budget. Same with most govt agencies....
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