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New sanctions on N.Korea

What do you think about sanctioning N. Korea?


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FT.com / Asia-Pacific - N Korea responds to UN with nuclear threats


UN Security Council imposes New sanctions on N.Korea.
Resolution 1874 provides a strong and united international response to North Korea. In relation to this, N. Korea responded to UN sanctions by claiming its program to develop nuclear weapons-grade enriched uranium had reached an experimental stage.
 
FT.com / Asia-Pacific - N Korea responds to UN with nuclear threats


UN Security Council imposes New sanctions on N.Korea.
Resolution 1874 provides a strong and united international response to North Korea. In relation to this, N. Korea responded to UN sanctions by claiming its program to develop nuclear weapons-grade enriched uranium had reached an experimental stage.

We should nip the problem in the bud. **** it, and attack the bastards with everything we have in place. 24 hour prep. No way they will be ready. Kill there top leaders with B-2's and **** up their Air Force with our Raptors in Kadena, Japan.
 
I went with the sanctions because to directly attack NK is going to create two problems. One, the Chinese will immediately condemn the U.S. and throw support behind DPRK. Two, NK will immediately attack South Korea and we will be entrenched in another war.

China is watching over NK and whether we like it or not, we are not ready for war with China.
 
I went with the sanctions because to directly attack NK is going to create two problems. One, the Chinese will immediately condemn the U.S. and throw support behind DPRK. Two, NK will immediately attack South Korea and we will be entrenched in another war.

China is watching over NK and whether we like it or not, we are not ready for war with China.

Not necessarily. China has also repeatedly said that it condemns their communist friend's activity. As much as China might want to stick with N. Korea, economically they can't. We buy all their stuff, and their economy isn't self-sustaining yet. Once it is, then they would be more likely to go against us. And China, along with Russia has moved a ton of Armor to their border with N. Korea, and they have said they want to be ready for anything the N. Koreans do. While they might condemn us for wiping out the Command and Control of North Korea, they might just sweep in, and take over the N. Korean land for themselves. China does not want an open world war on their doorstep, because the last time that happened, the countries along the Frontlines ( Britain, France, Germany, Russia) had immense destruction of their country. No, they won't want us to start carpet bombing their factories, and cities.

And if our first-strike is good enough, the North Korean's might just be to confused to launch an attack against us for say a week or 2. In which time, we can get ready for ourselves. If we maintain Strategic Surprise.
 
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We should nip the problem in the bud. **** it, and attack the bastards with everything we have in place. 24 hour prep. No way they will be ready. Kill there top leaders with B-2's and **** up their Air Force with our Raptors in Kadena, Japan.

Just curious, but do you know what type of casualities South Korea would face with an attack like that?

In all seriousness, if we could take out most N Korean missle sites before they launch them, then I may support an attack on North Korea. I just don't have much info on our predictions about how effective an invasion would be.
 
Just curious, but do you know what type of casualities South Korea would face with an attack like that?

In all seriousness, if we could take out most N Korean missle sites before they launch them, then I may support an attack on North Korea. I just don't have much info on our predictions about how effective an invasion would be.

Yeah, the North Koreans can shell the crap out of Seoul 10 minutes into the fight, plus chemical weapons, but that is if they manage to coordinate themselves. If we can take out their Command and Control chain, then they will be temporarily blinded. Our B-2's can massacre any SAM Sites we find, and then clear the way for F-117's and B-52's. Kill all their launch sites ( the B-2 and B-52 each can take out 20 targets, each plane) and force them to surrender. Of cours, this is if we maintain Strategic Surprise.
 
We could absolutely kill NK within days. This ain't no Saddam Huissein or "nation-building" mission we are on like in Iraq. We could **** that country into a tiny ****load of pieces within DAYS, or even less. Just ****ing bomb Pyongyang with everyhting we ****ing got. **** their entire military. They have the largest military in the world(because they are damn communist-militarist state), if we destroy it all, they will have NOTHING. **** em **** em ****ing GODDAMNIT **** EM UP! NOOOOOWW!!!!!!
 
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We could absolutely kill NK within days. This ain't no Saddam Huissein or "nation-building" mission we are on like in Iraq. We could **** that country into a tiny ****load of pieces within DAYS, or even less. Just bomb Pyongyang with everyhting we got. Destroy their entire military. They have the largest military in the world, if we destroy it all, they will have NOTHING. **** em **** **** GODDAMNIT **** EM UP! NOOOOOWW!!!!!!

lol :D

If anything, we would just leave the nation building to South Korea, so I doubt it would be a simillar situation to Iraq. I am sure South Korea would agree that THEY want to have control of North Korea instead of us, so it would require pretty limited work on our part.
 
Its kinda pointless though. As Thomas Friedman said, "No two countries that both had McDonald's had fought a war against each other since each got its McDonald's".

Friedman
 
Not necessarily. China has also repeatedly said that it condemns their communist friend's activity. As much as China might want to stick with N. Korea, economically they can't. We buy all their stuff, and their economy isn't self-sustaining yet. Once it is, then they would be more likely to go against us. And China, along with Russia has moved a ton of Armor to their border with N. Korea, and they have said they want to be ready for anything the N. Koreans do. While they might condemn us for wiping out the Command and Control of North Korea, they might just sweep in, and take over the N. Korean land for themselves. China does not want an open world war on their doorstep, because the last time that happened, the countries along the Frontlines ( Britain, France, Germany, Russia) had immense destruction of their country. No, they won't want us to start carpet bombing their factories, and cities.

And if our first-strike is good enough, the North Korean's might just be to confused to launch an attack against us for say a week or 2. In which time, we can get ready for ourselves. If we maintain Strategic Surprise.

What China says and the actions they take are two different things. If China was so appalled by the behavior of North Korea they have several tools at their disposal to keep them in line. China is the main supplier of food, oil, and raw materials to NK, yet they use non eof these things as leverage. Nor do the Chinese take any steps other than verbal condemnation. Why? China like having a loud, communist regime next door to challenge the U.S. every now and again.

North Korea is a buffer zone to the U.S. in South Korea and the reason both China and Russia are beefing-up security is because they both fear a U.S. strike on NK that would lead to the pouring-in of millions of NK refugees that neither nation wants. Nor does China believe in foreign intervention into the domestic matters of a soverign nation. To do so would make their assertions over Taiwan and Tibet being domestic matters, moot points.

In regards to the Chinese dependence on U.S. consumerism, the U.S. is completely depended on China for everything we use. Like junkies we have nowhere else to go as the majority of our consumables are produced in China. And lets not forget the fact that China owns $5 trillion in U.S. debt, that if called in, would bankrupt the U.S. economy.

Check-out my post under Asia-Central on the Shanghai Organization-Corporation, China is making very long strides in relieving any dependence on the U.S., as it knows it's economy will bypass ours very soon.
 
Its kinda pointless though. As Thomas Friedman said, "No two countries that both had McDonald's had fought a war against each other since each got its McDonald's".

Friedman

They have McDonalds in North Korea? Cool....they are finally making progress. If they don't however, we acn beat the crap outta 'em.
 
They have McDonalds in North Korea? Cool....they are finally making progress. If they don't however, we acn beat the crap outta 'em.

If they did, they would never want to go to war with any other country that had one.

Maybe this can be a solution in the middle east:mrgreen:
 
If they did, they would never want to go to war with any other country that had one.

Maybe this can be a solution in the middle east:mrgreen:

There is no McDonalds in North Korea. The idea that Friedman is putting forth is that of Neoliberalism. That is to say that capitalism and globalization prevents war. The idea is to spread economic interconnections so that nations are better-off cooperating and trading to make money, rather than fighting a war. I think that if there is anything we learned from our dealings with China, pushing capitalism does more for a nation than anything else. I have written many research papers arguing that if the U.S. would simply open trade with Cuba and North Korea, we would do more to liberate their people than any sanctions could ever produce.
 
So what if we owe china a ton of money, how would going to war with us enable them to collect? If they don't side with us on NK issues, we just ban all chinese goods from the USA....
 
So what if we owe china a ton of money, how would going to war with us enable them to collect? If they don't side with us on NK issues, we just ban all chinese goods from the USA....

If you do, every retailer in the nation would go bankrupt, and in this economic climate that could be catestrophic.
 
If you do, every retailer in the nation would go bankrupt, and in this economic climate that could be catestrophic.

Locally grown food will still be available.....
Fuel will still be available...
if selling plastic crap from china is your chosen career path, so be it....
 
Locally grown food will still be available.....
Fuel will still be available...
if selling plastic crap from china is your chosen career path, so be it....

Yes, you are right, the basic necessities will be available. Yet, if retailers fall, much more will follow. Do we need to rid ourselves of our addiction on Chinese goods? Most certainly sir, but I am afraid cold turkey will not work.
 
Can't vote on that poll.

Sanctions are a waste of time, nothing else but sanctions is going to happen, that and hot Messiah Air.
 
Yeah, the North Koreans can shell the crap out of Seoul 10 minutes into the fight, plus chemical weapons, but that is if they manage to coordinate themselves. If we can take out their Command and Control chain, then they will be temporarily blinded. Our B-2's can massacre any SAM Sites we find, and then clear the way for F-117's and B-52's. Kill all their launch sites ( the B-2 and B-52 each can take out 20 targets, each plane) and force them to surrender. Of cours, this is if we maintain Strategic Surprise.

Hmmm....so we have about a hundred B-2s and B52's combined, so that's about a 2000 missile sites.

Are the other 18,000 missile sites in North Korea going to wait for the Americans to re-load?
 
We can't really sanction North Korea anymore. The United States (or any country other than China) has almost no trade with North Korea whatsoever. North Korean sanctions nowadays tend to be less about North Korea itself, and more about peripheral players like Banco Delta Asia in Macau. There's really nothing left to sanction.


As for going to war, that's just stupid. North Korea would launch every missile it has at South Korea, resulting in a huge amount of casualties.

There really aren't any good options for dealing with North Korea.
 
So it looks like people here actually want to enter a third war?

That's wrong.
 
So it looks like people here actually want to enter a third war?

That's wrong.

I just want the US to **** North Korea in the ****hole! Is that so wrong?
 
So it looks like people here actually want to enter a third war?

That's wrong.

It doesn't depend on the U.S. It depends on China. If they will go against us when ( and it is bound to happen sooner or later) we attack North Korea, or get attacked by them then China will be starting a World War. Not us.

And the Human population is starting to become too big, so draw what you want from that.
 
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