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    Re: A question for people who don't smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Right, now they running your government.

    How is that working out?
    Not sure what you are talking about.


    Eventually, you just have total chaos b/c everything is OK to do. Whether it be drugs, or some other unlawful act.
    Actually, you have FAR more "chaos" here than in places far more tolerant of individual rights. Your little drug war has caused massive "chaos".
    Wow. Am I awesome or what?

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    Re: A question for people who don't smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Says who? The criminals will move on to another item that is illegal and then that will become the new black market.
    Says the law of supply and demand.

    How does being a primary black market item increase demand for that item?

    It doesn't. The demand exists and then the black market develops. It has to exist that way for there to be profit.

    Currently, drugs are a highly profitable venture for black marketeers because the demand already exists for those items.

    The demand is low for other black market items. The fact that current drug dealers would try to switch to those items would not increase the demand for those items.

    If the criminals switch to a different black market item that already exists, they'll only have the same level of demand as they had before legalization of drugs occurred.

    The only possible way for all of them to succeed in switching items would be if there were a new item introduced to the market that had equivilant demand as drugs do AND appealed to the type of people who were willing to break the law to attain this item.



    To which, the folks over a period of time, will use, and we will be right back at this very same point.

    Legalize it, to get rid of the black market.
    That's a slippery slope fallacy. The demand for intoxicants is as old as humankind.

    The only way that it could work like you propose is if there truly was a new item that was on the black market that had never been seen before and could spark the levels of demand that intoxicants do.

    That is unlikely given that there are few things in this world with the same level of demand that intoxicants have with their users.

    And the inherent quality of drugs that cause this extreme demand not found in other black market items is Addiction.

    That inherent quality is not present in any other black market item.
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    Re: A question for people who don't smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    There should be danger for the user. That alone should be incentive not to do it. But then again, alot of people are stupid and dont care, so they take the risk.
    Why should there be danger, because it is illegal? That's a very bad premise. So if we were to make birthday cakes illegal then you think it should be dangerous for people to get them, just because it's illegal? Why isn't Alcohol dangerous to acquire? Why isn't tobacco dangerous to acquire? These are both worse in every way than pot and yet...

    Sorry, the argument that legalizing drugs would be a boost to the economy is ridiculous.
    Are you sure? No, of course you're not.

    Oaksterdam News Network - Economists: Regulating cannabis could save US $14 billion;

    Economists: Regulating cannabis could save US $14 billion;

    Written by Autumn Bernstein
    Over $1 billion in benefits for California taxpayers alone
    Friedman and 500 economists call for new approach to cannabis control
    Cannabusiness - The Atlantic (April 2009)

    In 1996, California voters passed Proposition 215, a referendum legalizing medical marijuana. Although federal law prohibits the cultivation, sale, or use of cannabis, a series of subsequent state laws and court decisions cleared the way for what has become a thriving industry. Recent studies say that Californians grow more than 20 million pot plants. Their bounty, valued at as much as $14 billion, is distributed to the state’s 200,000 physician-certified users through hundreds of dispensaries, which advertise through billboards, flyers, and even bikini-clad barkers on Venice Beach. Given California’s well-publicized budget crunch, it’s worth noting that legal pot sales generate $100 million in state tax revenue a year. As Don Duncan, the proprietor of dispensaries in Berkeley and Hollywood and an Oaksterdam professor, put it, “Marijuana has evolved from a countercultural experience to an over-the-counter experience.”
    Keep in mind this is only from medical marijuana use. If it were legalized the result would be GIGANTIC!!!

    The key to boosting the economy has ZERO TO DO WITH LEGALIZING DRUGS. It has to do with getting the government out of the markets and to decrease fees and taxes on businesses and individuals so they can keep more of their money. Less government intrusion is the key to boosting the economy.
    You're simply wrong all both points. I've already shown the additional revenue created just from medical marijuana and we know that the "free market" absolutely needs government regulation to help prevent the trouble private industry gets us all into when there is no regulation. These are simple facts that anyone can look up.

    You dont want to hear my ideas on what to do with criminals in jail. It would call the attention to Human Rights Watch.
    Especially if you're going to spew some neanderthal, testosterone engorged, mindless bully mantra. Surely you don't think a nonviolent offender should be subjected to the same treatment as say, a rapist or an armed bank robber...

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    Re: A question for people who don't smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    You think the folks who are in power in the black markets are just gonna up and becme legit b/c something went legal?
    You will be stuck right back at square 1, b/c they will just go find the next thing to sell on the black market.
    Then what? Gonna legalize that too? Then do the process again, again, again, again?
    Which has nothing to do with legalizing pot. A criminal will probably continue to be a criminal even if you remove the current thing they are involved in. There used to be a black market for 8 track tapes... You don't determine whether something should be illegal based on what criminals might do if it were suddenly legal. Pot shouldn't be illegal in the first place.

    People are involved in illegal activity and are criminals for a reason. To think they will just come clean and pure as the wind driven snow is naive.
    I'm not really sure what you are saying here. I am a pot user, the only thing that would change for me is that I wouldn't have to worry about getting busted. I'd still be smoking it and paying my taxes, just like I do now.

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    Re: A question for people who don't smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Right, now they running your government.

    How is that working out?
    Wow, you really are bad at this whole discussion thing, huh.
    I'm sorry to tell you this but that is really a dumb response. But let me pound that nail in from a different angle in case you didn't get it. Please name the person or people running the government that were bootleggers. :waiting
    Yeah, they move on to the next item.
    So? Better something else then wasting BILLIONS of taxpayer money every year in a loosing battle to fight against something that should never have been criminalized in the first place.

    Eventually, you just have total chaos b/c everything is OK to do. Whether it be drugs, or some other unlawful act.

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