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    Re: Non-smokers: Your views on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    Pot-heads are like they are stuck in "slow-motion" mentally and physically. Sometimes it is frustrating watching them....
    Nonsense. Maybe you're hanging out with the wrong people.

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    Re: A question for people who don't smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Few people are aware that there are different kinds of cannabis sub-species which determine what kind of high you have. Most people just think pot is pot, especially in North America where there is little differentiation between varieties, fewer connoisseurs, and an undeveloped sub-culture surrounding this widely misunderstood plant.
    I think you've been away from it too long. Pick up any of the various "cannabis mags" and you'll find a very diverse sub-culture and a lot of connoisseurs as well as geeks using advanced growing methods like Aeroponics, edd and flow, hempy pots, NFT, Hydroponics of course, fogging, as well as advanced botany.

    Cannabis indica produces a drunken sort of intoxication where you are slow, stupified, and you just sort of sit there and stare at a wall. Conversation is difficult and so is creative thinking. This is what I call being "stoned".
    This is more commonly referred to as a body buzz or "couch-lock".

    Cannabis sativa is what I grew and smoked exclusively. It is the variety used by spiritual sects in India, and is the pre-cursor to all Afghani hash. It produces a heady high that gives you energy, enhances creative thinking and has use for meditation. It's great for socializing and is a very get up and go kind of pot. This is what I call being "high".
    This is absolutely correct. Although we refer to it as a "head high". The general medicinal value is increased appetite and focus. Whereas Indica is usually used, medicinally for pain (as it feels more narcotic on the body). Hash is simply the "trichomes" off the leaves and buds removed from the plant material. You can make hash from either Indica or Sativa.

    All pot that is grown, with a few exceptions, comes in ratios of the above two. So for example, one strain may be 50% Indica and 50% Sativa... when you first smoke it, you will feel the heady, creative high, but as the effects wear off, it will fade into a dull, stoner high. The strains I grew and preferred were at least 80% sativa.

    The vast, vast majority of pot that is distributed on the streets and through private dealers is predominantly indica. This is because the indica sub-species is smaller in size (for hiding), grows from seed to harvest in a shorter period of time, and the yield is usually higher. Sativas grow taller so they are harder to conceal in larger scale grow-ops, and they take longer to grow to maturity. Also, the best sativa varieties are outdoor ones which grow significantly larger, and anywhere that pot has illegal status makes it difficult to do this way.

    So, as a result, most private growers who do grow sativas keep the harvest for themselves, as it is a far superior variety. They save the indica stuff for the streets because it is more suitable for mass production. Unfortunately, this also cheapens the effects for many, many people.


    If people had the freedom to grow pot without fear of being caught, my belief is that more people would grow sativa strains and fewer people would be subject to being "stoned" and more would experience what a real "high" feels like. Because sativas naturally increase the speed and level of your thoughtfulness, I think it would actually be a benefit to society. Ancient cultures who use it for meditation chose it for this very reason.
    Again, for pain relief, the majority of people will choose Indica.

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    Re: A question for people who don't smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    No, I am against it.

    We are already a pill popping, prescription drug taking, recreational drug overkill society.

    We are the wealthiest, yet most chemical dependent nation on the face of the planet.

    We dont need more pill popping, prescription drug taking, recreational drug using sickos running the streets legally.

    If 2nd hand smoke is bad for you, then what is 2nd hand pot smoke gonna be?

    Its to bad adults cant simply be adults and live a life without chemical dependency.

    Legalizing drugs isnt going to solve anything. Ever seen people on drugs? I have seen enough friends fall to pieces on drugs, dont need to have it explained to me how its harmless and better then "X" or "Y".
    So when reality creeps back in you'd much rather have it illegal, spend Billions in an unsuccessful endeavor to stamp it out, incarcerate non-violent offenders with harded and violent criminals. Not to mention that criminalization affects job opportunities and scholastic financing opportunities. Oh and we shouldn't forget one of the worst effects of criminalization... the black market and all that goes along with it including, danger for the user, money that gets used for more nefarious illegal activities (producing and distributing hard drugs and terrorism). Sounds like a loosing proposition. Oh yeah, and it's illegal status prevents us from growing Industrial Hemp which would be a HUGE boon to our economy.

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    Re: A question for people who don't smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Oh and we shouldn't forget one of the worst effects of criminalization... the black market and all that goes along with it including, danger for the user, money that gets used for more nefarious illegal activities (producing and distributing hard drugs and terrorism). Sounds like a loosing proposition. Oh yeah, and it's illegal status prevents us from growing Industrial Hemp which would be a HUGE boon to our economy.
    The black market is the direct cause of the current violence in Mexico, which may spread here. Like usual they are running around struggling to find the solution when it's staring them in the face. Of course there is going to be violence. When you prohibit something people want and have no legitiimate moral basis for the ban you get predictable after affects.
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    Re: A question for people who don't smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    So when reality creeps back in you'd much rather have it illegal, spend Billions in an unsuccessful endeavor to stamp it out, incarcerate non-violent offenders with hardened and violent criminals. Not to mention that criminalization affects job opportunities and scholastic financing opportunities. Oh and we shouldn't forget one of the worst effects of criminalization... the black market and all that goes along with it including, danger for the user, money that gets used for more nefarious illegal activities (producing and distributing hard drugs and terrorism). Sounds like a loosing proposition. Oh yeah, and it's illegal status prevents us from growing Industrial Hemp which would be a HUGE boon to our economy.
    There should be danger for the user. That alone should be incentive not to do it. But then again, alot of people are stupid and dont care, so they take the risk.

    Sorry, the argument that legalizing drugs would be a boost to the economy is ridiculous. The key to boosting the economy has ZERO TO DO WITH LEGALIZING DRUGS. It has to do with getting the government out of the markets and to decrease fees and taxes on businesses and individuals so they can keep more of their money. Less government intrusion is the key to boosting the economy.

    You dont want to hear my ideas on what to do with criminals in jail. It would call the attention to Human Rights Watch.

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    Re: A question for people who don't smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    The black market is the direct cause of the current violence in Mexico, which may spread here. Like usual they are running around struggling to find the solution when it's staring them in the face. Of course there is going to be violence. When you prohibit something people want and have no legitiimate moral basis for the ban you get predictable after affects.
    You think the folks who are in power in the black markets are just gonna up and becme legit b/c something went legal?

    You will be stuck right back at square 1, b/c they will just go find the next thing to sell on the black market.

    Then what? Gonna legalize that too? Then do the process again, again, again, again?

    People are involved in illegal activity and are criminals for a reason. To think they will just come clean and pure as the wind driven snow is naive.

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    Re: A question for people who don't smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    You think the folks who are in power in the black markets are just gonna up and becme legit b/c something went legal?

    You will be stuck right back at square 1, b/c they will just go find the next thing to sell on the black market.

    Then what? Gonna legalize that too? Then do the process again, again, again, again?

    People are involved in illegal activity and are criminals for a reason. To think they will just come clean and pure as the wind driven snow is naive.
    The demand for other black market stuff will be much lower.
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    Re: A question for people who don't smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    You think the folks who are in power in the black markets are just gonna up and becme legit b/c something went legal?
    No. They just will not sell it anymore. The mob is no longer in the bootlegging business in case you failed to get the memo.

    You will be stuck right back at square 1, b/c they will just go find the next thing to sell on the black market.

    Then what? Gonna legalize that too? Then do the process again, again, again, again?
    Depends. Most things should be legal. Can't see how it's my business. But the violence isn't caused solely by something being illegal. It's caused by something being in high demand and illegal. That's why they are moving pot and cocaine and they are not moving rhino horn powder. In other words, you eventually run out of things that are high in demand and illegal, leaving them with littlke choice but to move on.
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    Re: A question for people who don't smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The demand for other black market stuff will be much lower.
    Says who? The criminals will move on to another item that is illegal and then that will become the new black market.

    To which, the folks over a period of time, will use, and we will be right back at this very same point.

    Legalize it, to get rid of the black market.

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    Re: A question for people who don't smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    No. They just will not sell it anymore. The mob is no longer in the bootlegging business in case you failed to get the memo.
    Right, now they running your government.

    How is that working out?



    Depends. Most things should be legal. Can't see how it's my business. But the violence isn't caused solely by something being illegal. It's caused by something being in high demand and illegal. That's why they are moving pot and cocaine and they are not moving rhino horn powder. In other words, you eventually run out of things that are high in demand and illegal, leaving them with littlke choice but to move on.
    Yeah, they move on to the next item.

    Eventually, you just have total chaos b/c everything is OK to do. Whether it be drugs, or some other unlawful act.

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