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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    The only aid we should give to other countries is free trade with them and a path to citizenship here.

    (Yes I am for a non-interventionist foreign policy.)
    While in principle I'd agree with you, in reality I cannot.

    For instance, a country with nuclear weapons that is fighting a insurgency that is allied with our most dire enemies should get military aid. Having that insurgency gain access to those nuclear weapons is a clear and present danger we cannot allow.
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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC View Post
    This political crap in the middle east is neither humanitarian nor necessary.
    That depends on your definition of "necessary."

    Is keeping oil at a stable, reliable price necessary? I'd say so. Is keeping US friendly regimes in the area necessary? I'd say so in the context of oil.

    As far as "national security" goes. I ask which nation and who's security? I tell ya we are the biggest suckers in the world. Duped into paying for every conflict or crisis.
    Tell me, what do you think would happen if secular and US friendly regimes in the Middle East were replaced with religious fanatics and anti-US regimes?

    There's a damn good reason to get off oil.
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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    In case anyone is wondering:

    http://www.swivel.com/data_sets/spreadsheet/1002196

    That's US aid by country from 1946-2005.
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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC View Post
    My alternative is Americans don't pay for nor fight other people's battles. If any of these nations or people within these nations attacks America. We respond. What we don't do is support forty years of conflict. What we don't do is play god in their politics. It is asinine to think that the President of the United States can solve the Israel/Palestine issue. It is ridiculous for the American people to continue to fund the stalemate.

    Certain battles and wars are unavoidable. However maintaining the status quo with American money and force. Is unsustainable and counterproductive to our own prosperity. Every nation on this earth has the same rights as we do. To decide their fate. To solve their own problems and build a future for themselves.
    An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I would rather spend money to see a stable ME, than not and see American boys and girls die in some stupid war that could have been prevented. Your position shows absolutely no foresight at all.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I would rather spend money to see a stable ME, than not and see American boys and girls die in some stupid war that could have been prevented. Your position shows absolutely no foresight at all.
    The rub there, as Wessexman and I have discussed, is when and where to apply cure and how much? There's a Goldilocks zone where one reduces the problem and it's surrounded by either having no effect or making it worse. As history shows, we rarely have hit that zone.
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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The rub there, as Wessexman and I have discussed, is when and where to apply cure and how much? There's a Goldilocks zone where one reduces the problem and it's surrounded by either having no effect or making it worse. As history shows, we rarely have hit that zone.
    Oh, I agree with you, here. Too much is enabling and perpetuates problems. Finding the right number is difficult for sure.
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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    I would add I don't know how much stability our money is actually buying. I suspect not much, and what we are buying is not long term, the problems are not going to go away.

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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    I always thought that everyone was working for me, but were just very poor employees.
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