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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC View Post
    So where is the proof that giving money to these nations has actually benefited the United States. Will you use the same rational as Obama. It would be worse if we didn't act. Come on. We've been involved in this region for a long time. What has changed?

    Helping others in need is all fine and good. Americans, as individuals, do this every day. This political crap in the middle east is neither humanitarian nor necessary. As far as "national security" goes. I ask which nation and who's security? I tell ya we are the biggest suckers in the world. Duped into paying for every conflict or crisis.
    Where do you think is the most likely place for a nuclear bomb to get launched from? And how much would that cost everybody? It's a wonder it hasn't happened already.

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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC View Post
    Is it fair that American taxpayers must work part of the year for Israel, Palestine and the terrorist state of Saudi Arabia?

    What do we get in return besides grief?
    What do you propose as an alternative ?
    That is, if what you say is true....which I doubt..
    So Saudi Arabia spews a bin Laden; we generate a Tim McVey(whatever); does this make America a terrorist state ???
    Arabia is not a terrorist nation any more than we are.....
    There are many world and national problems, drawing into a shell and isolating oneself does not work....I guessing at your agenda...
    BTW, some of it I may agree with...

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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Where do you think is the most likely place for a nuclear bomb to get launched from? And how much would that cost everybody? It's a wonder it hasn't happened already.
    Heh, I don't know. Israel, India, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, Russia, China, United States. Take your pick. You cannot build a perfect world by force or with cash. You cannot fight everyone and everything that might potentially threaten you. Life has risk. These games we play in the middle east have risk too. Americans are paying the price for that risk everyday.

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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    It is important to note that alot of this money is used to fund programs for us a good example of this is the large amounts of money that we give to Saudi Arabia and Israel for anti-terrorism activities.

    But since both of those nations are developed, we shouldn't be giving them any money with a blank check.


    But when it comes to Palestine, we need to gain their favor and try to develope their country with aid, at least untill they get their own state...

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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    What do you propose as an alternative ?
    That is, if what you say is true....which I doubt..
    So Saudi Arabia spews a bin Laden; we generate a Tim McVey(whatever); does this make America a terrorist state ???
    Arabia is not a terrorist nation any more than we are.....
    There are many world and national problems, drawing into a shell and isolating oneself does not work....I guessing at your agenda...
    BTW, some of it I may agree with...
    My alternative is Americans don't pay for nor fight other people's battles. If any of these nations or people within these nations attacks America. We respond. What we don't do is support forty years of conflict. What we don't do is play god in their politics. It is asinine to think that the President of the United States can solve the Israel/Palestine issue. It is ridiculous for the American people to continue to fund the stalemate.

    Certain battles and wars are unavoidable. However maintaining the status quo with American money and force. Is unsustainable and counterproductive to our own prosperity. Every nation on this earth has the same rights as we do. To decide their fate. To solve their own problems and build a future for themselves.

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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    We don't live in a vacuum. We have to spend money in the interest of national security.
    You mean on atomic bombs, better airplanes, faster ships, effective missile defense system, orbiting weapons platforms, lunar missile silos, and assassins to kill specific people when they get uppity. Paying bribes isn't a good way to prepare the national defense.


    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Even when we give to starving countries. They become easy victims of takeover by tyrants and dictators if they are starving.
    So you're saying the United States is starving?

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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    The only aid we should give to other countries is free trade with them and a path to citizenship here.

    (Yes I am for a non-interventionist foreign policy.)
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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC View Post
    Is it fair that American taxpayers must work part of the year for Israel, Palestine and the terrorist state of Saudi Arabia?

    What do we get in return besides grief?
    I vote only for Israel! All western countries should support Israel, not "Palestine" or biggest exporter of Wahhabism Saudi Arabia. We don't may give Israel to arabs as gift!


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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC View Post
    Heh, I don't know. Israel, India, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, Russia, China, United States. Take your pick. You cannot build a perfect world by force or with cash. You cannot fight everyone and everything that might potentially threaten you. Life has risk. These games we play in the middle east have risk too. Americans are paying the price for that risk everyday.
    When crazies have nuclear weapons there is nothing "potential." They will certainly use them. So we make a good effort.

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    Re: Is it fair that American taxpayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC View Post
    Is it fair that American taxpayers must work part of the year for Israel, Palestine and the terrorist state of Saudi Arabia?

    What do we get in return besides grief?
    I think no nation should receive foreign aid regardless if they are our allies or supply us with oil or what ever, especially when we are in debt. When it comes to American tax dollars **** the rest of the world. The American government IE the tax payer's servants should be using our money for basic needs. Welfare to other countries is not basic needs.
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