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Thread: Should the government bail out the post office?

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    Re: Should the government bail out the post office?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I'm not so sure about that last part. UPS, DHL, and FedEx aren't exactly the best options for low weight, high volume, low priority mail. When you need to get something heavy, somewhere quickly, you go with one of those three (well, I don't like DHL, bad experiences with them compared to the other two). When you need to mail a letter slow, cheaply and in high volume, those aren't the first options.
    The government mail monopoly actually costs quite a bit more, you're just not paying for it directly.

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    Re: Should the government bail out the post office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The post office long ago outlived its usefulness. UPS, DHL, and FedEx can do everything it does better.
    I disagree that these other companies do better than US Postal. In fact, they don't really do the same thing at all. There aren't UPS, DHL, and FedEx showing up at my mailbox every day. In order to get them to do so, there is a fee and that is just for my mailbox.

    These other companies also don't deliver advertisements, what most call junk mail. That may not be a big deal for you and I, but to those who are paying for that advertisement, its a huge deal.
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    Re: Should the government bail out the post office?

    Well, let's fix the Post Office according to sound liberal principles.

    Raise rates until revenues equals expenses and shut down those pesky FedEx and UPS upstarts.

    And, oh, I almost forgot, tax e-mails at the same rate it cost to send a private letter by snail-mail.

    That'll fix the Post Office right up. I mean, we can't let 800,000 overpaid goonion democrat jobs go up in a puff of pure socialist business incompetence, can we?

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    Re: Should the government bail out the post office?

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    Mail volume may decrease, but it's certainly not going to be eliminated like this guy implies.

    True: The USPS more than likely will not be eliminated. However it will continue to decline in volume.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    As cool as the kindle is, it's not killing the newspaper or magazine any time soon.
    False: Newspapers and magazines make their money in advertising. I have virtually eliminated newspaper advertising for my business, and diverted that money towards other advertising media(primarily internet) and have much better results. Fewer and fewer people are reading the newspapers, thus fewer and fewer business will be spending as much in newspaper advertising. That's why so many newspapers are going bankrupt.
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    Re: Should the government bail out the post office?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I'm not so sure about that last part. UPS, DHL, and FedEx aren't exactly the best options for low weight, high volume, low priority mail. When you need to get something heavy, somewhere quickly, you go with one of those three (well, I don't like DHL, bad experiences with them compared to the other two). When you need to mail a letter slow, cheaply and in high volume, those aren't the first options.
    People that need to send letters slow, cheaply, and too much, should contract to a private business.

    I'm fairly certain the Founding Fathers did not envision the postal service they required the Congress to establish to be a means of delivery the nation's pulpwood forests to all the homes in America one unread letter after the next.

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    Re: Should the government bail out the post office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    Mail volume may decrease, but it's certainly not going to be eliminated like this guy implies.

    True: The USPS more than likely will not be eliminated. However it will continue to decline in volume.



    False: Newspapers and magazines make their money in advertising. I have virtually eliminated newspaper advertising for my business, and diverted that money towards other advertising media(primarily internet) and have much better results. Fewer and fewer people are reading the newspapers, thus fewer and fewer business will be spending as much in newspaper advertising. That's why so many newspapers are going bankrupt.
    It still won't kill them off. At least not any time soon.

    They said the same thing about email. What a revolutionary tool, it will kill off the post office, letter writing, and paper use.

    While that change may occur, there is still businesses and services who are going to find a return for using old school print advertising.
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    Re: Should the government bail out the post office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What is the cost per letter when you add the government funding to the 42-cent user fee? I doubt it will look like such a bargain.
    The postal service generally does quite alright for itself. It was turning profits of several billion dollars a year not too long ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shep Dawg View Post

    True: The USPS more than likely will not be eliminated. However it will continue to decline in volume.

    False: Newspapers and magazines make their money in advertising. I have virtually eliminated newspaper advertising for my business, and diverted that money towards other advertising media(primarily internet) and have much better results. Fewer and fewer people are reading the newspapers, thus fewer and fewer business will be spending as much in newspaper advertising. That's why so many newspapers are going bankrupt.
    The fact that newspapers are struggling doesn't mean that the kindle has anything to do with it, which is what this guy was claiming. Furthermore, the whole point of magazines is that they have nice glossy pictures, something you can't get on your blackberry. Finally, while the newspaper industry as a whole might be having problems, the NY Post at 50 cents will always be around.
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    Re: Should the government bail out the post office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    People that need to send letters slow, cheaply, and too much, should contract to a private business.

    I'm fairly certain the Founding Fathers did not envision the postal service they required the Congress to establish to be a means of delivery the nation's pulpwood forests to all the homes in America one unread letter after the next.
    And there's the problem that you face. The postal service is Constitutional power of the Congress:

    Article 1, section 8 - The Powers of Congress:
    "...To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;"

    I'm also fairly certain that the Founding Fathers didn't envision that the post roads would become anything like the Interstate system. That doesn't change the fact that Congress is responsible for them.

    I'm also fairly certain that the Founding Fathers didn't envision the commerce clause being used to justify unconstitutional actions such as the the Drug War.
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    Re: Should the government bail out the post office?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The postal service generally does quite alright for itself. It was turning profits of several billion dollars a year not too long ago.



    The fact that newspapers are struggling doesn't mean that the kindle has anything to do with it, which is what this guy was claiming. Furthermore, the whole point of magazines is that they have nice glossy pictures, something you can't get on your blackberry. Finally, while the newspaper industry as a whole might be having problems, the NY Post at 50 cents will always be around.
    Newspapers will continue to struggle. Many will fold, and the ones that survive will have to radically change their ways of operating.
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    Re: Should the government bail out the post office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    The government mail monopoly actually costs quite a bit more, you're just not paying for it directly.
    I don't doubt that it costs more. The question is how much. How many pieces of mail does it deliver and how much does it cost to operate a year?

    From Fox, during the current bad year, it delivered 180 billion piece of mail.

    Extrapolating the operating budget from CNN, the cost to operate is around $75 billion. Throw in a deficit of $7 billion and we've got a grand total cost of $82 billion. That's 45 cents per piece of mail.

    Postal service threats to cut a day of mail delivery - Jan. 28, 2009

    Tack that on to current mail prices and it's under $1. Sure it's higher, but have you seen the costs for FedEx/UPS for 2 day letter? It's not a dollar.

    After a little more researching, the actual cost to taxpayers is $3.6 billion, with the deficit it's $10.6 billion. So 5.8 cents in subsidiaries per piece. Not exactly material if you ask me.

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