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    Re: world welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Easy.

    Who's the rest of the world turn to when they need money, a handy aircraft carrier task force to dig them out of a tsunami, or someone to bitch about?

    Us.

    Must be a reason.

    That reason is because we're better than they are, and we should start acting like it, by making them earn the money we waste on them.



    It's easy.

    All you have to do is figure out what six billion people means.

    If you can't figure it out, you don't actually care about them, you're just pretending.



    No, being selfish is for the individual's greatest good. That selfishness leads inevitably to economic growth, and hence what some see as a mythical "greater" good is completely irrelevant. The only responsibilities one man has for anyone else are those responsibilities he chooses via word or deed without compulsion.

    Nothing wrong with that, after all, the mindless robotic masses that whine that someone is being "selfish" are just being selfish themselves, and jealous that they haven't been able to rob the successful yet. That's all the perpetual background whine you hear is about, envy.
    You can claim that being selfish has to be for the individual's good, but that does not make much sense if one person is able to slightly benefit when many other people around them are forced to greatly suffer.

    If something doesn't help people overall, then it really has no value. That seems pretty odvious. Should we sacrifice the world for an individual? of course not.
    The real question in this is HOW we can help the most amount of people the most, but we can only get to that after we decide to actually think about a way to get that done.

    Remember we still need things like limits to mob democracy and a law system to better everyone, this does not mean a political free for all. That would lead to an eventual dictatorship, which is not good for the greater good.


    But you are right that other people envy American wealth, but we need to ask ourselves if that envy is validated or not.

    Many people from all over the world really do wish that they had the wealth that Americans have, and it isn't that they all want to take it from us, but that they just want an opportunity to compete and then excell.

    If you look at the jobs in many developing nations they are much, much more strenuous and have lower pay then the worst mininum wage job in the US. Those people are not useless demanders, they just have no way to better their lives.


    There is way too many people on the Earth, that is why we should focus our welfare on getting people out of poverty, and not just simply giving food to people where we will just slow their death a few years.
    That is the best choice for the most amount of people, individual selfishness has nothing to do with it.
    Last edited by nerv14; 06-16-09 at 11:19 AM.

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    Re: world welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by rudedog View Post
    Should we as a country still be giving foreign governments aid,basically money we borrowed from china.This goes beyond all reason.

    As long as our government keeps up this stupidity we stay in debt for a long time.

    So how do you feel.
    The way I see it the Third World aids us with cheap goods so its only fair that we pay them back

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    Re: world welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    You can claim that being selfish has to be for the individual's good, but that does not make much sense if one person is able to slightly benefit when many other people around them are forced to greatly suffer.
    I'll keep that in mind when I have the only gun and the only water on the lifeboat, and my kids need a drink and you do, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    If something doesn't help people overall, then it really has no value.
    Nonsense.

    Values are assigned by people, not some absolute Marxist God.

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Should we sacrifice the world for an individual? of course not.
    Hmmmmm....destroy all the people to save my kid....no, that's not a hard choice, but I'll make the concession that I'll have to save at least a handful of others or my kid would get lonely. Other than that, if I had to make the choice, it's too bad for the world.

    Anyone with a kid that says otherwise is diseased.

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    The real question in this is HOW we can help the most amount of people the most,
    No, I can't say that question ever wandered across my mind. If they're worth helping, guess what? They're already helping themselves and don't need my input. If they're sitting around waiting for me to help them, they deserve to die.

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Remember we still need things like limits to mob democracy and a law system to better everyone, this does not mean a political free for all. That would lead to an eventual dictatorship, which is not good for the greater good.
    Socialism leads to dictatorship.

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    But you are right that other people envy American wealth, but we need to ask ourselves if that envy is validated or not.
    Why, are we parked in a lot they're sponsoring?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Many people from all over the world really do wish that they had the wealth that Americans have, and it isn't that they all want to take it from us, but that they just want an opportunity to compete and then excell.
    So? Let them get rid of the governments they have to prevent this. First, they'll have to get rid of all the socialists, who, of course, are the biggest road block to freedom.

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    There is way too many people on the Earth, that is why we should focus our welfare on getting people out of poverty,
    You mean, "which is why we shouldn't be paying welfare to people who can't afford to breed." Also, if there's too many people in the world, shouldn't we stop throwing good food at them, if they can't feed themselves?

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    Re: world welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Actually, it doesn't. Especially when the nation has to borrow the money in the first place. Then there's the minor fact that it's not the State Department's money their throwing about willy nilly, no, its the money someone worked hard to earn, to feed his family and pay for internet porn. No matter, it is his money, not the State Department's.
    Why do people keep trotting out this tired bull**** as if it's actually an argument?

    We get it, all government taxes are evil and you deserve to keep every penny of your earnings because you're a true rugged individualist. cool.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: world welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Why do people keep trotting out this tired bull**** as if it's actually an argument?

    We get it, all government taxes are evil and you deserve to keep every penny of your earnings because you're a true rugged individualist. cool.
    You did just confess that they're MY earnings.

    That's all that needs saying.

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    Re: world welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You did just confess that they're MY earnings.

    That's all that needs saying.
    damn bro, you got me there. never thought of it like that before.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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