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Bush's Presidency

How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

  • He's The Best President We've Ever Had

    Votes: 3 3.7%
  • He Was One Of The Best

    Votes: 6 7.3%
  • He Was Pretty Good

    Votes: 8 9.8%
  • He's Alright

    Votes: 6 7.3%
  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    Votes: 13 15.9%
  • He Was One Of The Worst

    Votes: 35 42.7%
  • He Was The Worst

    Votes: 11 13.4%

  • Total voters
    82

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This thread is all about Bush Jr.'s presidency. This regards his competence ( or lack of) his policies failure ( or success) and global view on him in general.

Between Bush's tax cuts, the Iraq War, Katrina, 9/11, and everything else that happened during his admin. he has done on average, somewhat poorly, in a political perspective. He has essentially turned America into a declining "empire" with another Vietnam, and a world which hates him.
 
This thread is all about Bush Jr.'s presidency. This regards his competence ( or lack of) his policies failure ( or success) and global view on him in general.

Between Bush's tax cuts, the Iraq War, Katrina, 9/11, and everything else that happened during his admin. he has done on average, somewhat poorly, in a political perspective. He has essentially turned America into a declining "empire" with another Vietnam, and a world which hates him.

Wrong very Wrong but it seems all of you on the Left just can't get over Mr. Bush huh you guys need to come up with a new hobby
 
Wrong very Wrong but it seems all of you on the Left just can't get over Mr. Bush huh you guys need to come up with a new hobby

You know, just saying I'm wrong, and not proving how I'm wrong is less then useful in a debate. Kind of like having FEMA and not using it right after Katrina ;)
 
You know, just saying I'm wrong, and not proving how I'm wrong is less then useful in a debate. Kind of like having FEMA and not using it right after Katrina ;)
Except under federal law the President can't send in FEMA till the Gov. ask for it ohh forgot that little US Code now didn't you.
 
Except under federal law the President can't send in FEMA till the Gov. ask for it ohh forgot that little US Code now didn't you.

So, you're essentially saying that Mr. Bush is willing to not do anythign to help the starving, dying people in New Orleans, because of a stupid rule? Sometimes, breaking rules is the right course, and in this case, Mr. Bush did not follow the right course. And I believe a state of emergency was called right after Katrina, so Mr. Bush still decided to not dedicate FEMA, even though it's obvious that they needed the help. What Bush should have done, was wait for the Supreme Court to interpret what a governor's call for help is, and then after submitting some forms, he could have then sent Fema to help. That's essentially what you want. Bureacracy and bull****.

And Remind Me, how am I wrong again???
 
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I think Pres. Bush made many mistakes but I think Obama will be just as bad.
 
This thread is all about Bush Jr.'s presidency. This regards his competence ( or lack of) his policies failure ( or success) and global view on him in general.

Between Bush's tax cuts, the Iraq War, Katrina, 9/11, and everything else that happened during his admin. he has done on average, somewhat poorly, in a political perspective. He has essentially turned America into a declining "empire" with another Vietnam, and a world which hates him.




Another "Vietnam"?


:lol: I thought you lefties dropped thay hyperbole when you realized we weren't gonna lose. :lol:
 
Just being the only President in our history that made state sponsored use of torture a legitimate policy earns GW Bush the title (by far) of WORST President in history.
 
Just being the only President in our history that made state sponsored use of torture a legitimate policy earns GW Bush the title (by far) of WORST President in history.

Except it wasn't has never been nor is it torture but thanks for playing the I wish I knew what the Hell I was talking about game please now exit to stage door right and collected you nice parting gifts.
 
Why do we have to rate Bush relative to other U.S. presidents? When you get mugged on the street, do you rate the mugger compared to other muggers? Hell now, you pull out a .44 Magnum and splatter his brains and skull fragments across four city blocks! Except with Bush you'd want to shoot him in the groin first. ;)
 
The best? Only if you're high on a combination of drugs
The worst? Only if you're high on a combination of drugs

Good? In some regards.
Bad? In many.

I'd put him in the lower 3rd of US presidents, but towards the top.
 
Another "Vietnam"?


:lol: I thought you lefties dropped thay hyperbole when you realized we weren't gonna lose. :lol:

We weren't going to lose Vietnam either, but we pulled out anyway. Our bombings were screwing them so bad. The only thing that was helping them was the Cong, their army was a joke. Whenever we take losses, the public gets mad, which makes it harder to keep the effort going. Thats why I compard it to Vietnam.
 
The most entertaining commentary on the quality of the Bush Presidency is Bill Maher's take on Dear Leader's Presidency:

I never thought I'd say this, but he needs to be more like George W. Bush.
 
Except it wasn't has never been nor is it torture but thanks for playing the I wish I knew what the Hell I was talking about game please now exit to stage door right and collected you nice parting gifts.

Really? I think there are some really influential conservative speakers who have been waterboarded...Mancow Muller, was a swimmer, and got ready for the waterboarding, got totally prepared. When they started he lasted about 5 seconds before started gasping and calling for it to stop. Afterwards, he said, ".....absolutely torture." Here are some videos. The actual waterboarding starts about 2:30 or so in.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58]YouTube - Watch Christopher Hitchens Get Waterboarded (VANITY FAIR)[/ame]

Here's a link to Mancow. The waterboarding starts about 2:30 again.

Radio Talk Show Host Mancow Muller Waterboarded (Video) Right Pundits
 
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We weren't going to lose Vietnam either, but we pulled out anyway. Our bombings were screwing them so bad. The only thing that was helping them was the Cong, their army was a joke. Whenever we take losses, the public gets mad, which makes it harder to keep the effort going. Thats why I compard it to Vietnam.





you seem to have some knowledge of historical warfare, i wouldn't expect you to view vietnam and Iraq in any sort of similarities.
 
you seem to have some knowledge of historical warfare, i wouldn't expect you to view vietnam and Iraq in any sort of similarities.

There are always similarities in any war. But of course, there are also differences.

Similarities: Russian Weapons, Guerilla Tactics,

Differences: Environment, Enemy, Reasons

Probably the most important fact is the guerilla tactics. Vietnam was a close match because of those tactics, and we have learned for Iraq, but of course, gureilla tactics always force high casualties for the invading force.
 
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Except it wasn't has never been nor is it torture but thanks for playing the I wish I knew what the Hell I was talking about game please now exit to stage door right and collected you nice parting gifts.

I could say the same for you ignoring my rebuttal ;)

And take a good look at those videos. If you really say it isn't torture, try it yourself, and show everyone a video.
 
There are always similarities in any war. But of course, there are also differences.

Similarities: Russian Weapons, Guerilla Tactics,

Differences: Environment, Enemy, Reasons

Probably the most important fact is the guerilla tactics. Vietnam was a close match because of those tactics, and we have learned for Iraq, but of course, gureilla tactics always force high casualties for the invading force.



so how many casualties do we have in this war, how many in Vietnam? I think your position misses the mark.
 
Really? I think there are some really influential conservative speakers who have been waterboarded...Mancow Muller, was a swimmer, and got ready for the waterboarding, got totally prepared. When they started he lasted about 5 seconds before started gasping and calling for it to stop. Afterwards, he said, ".....absolutely torture." Here are some videos. The actual waterboarding starts about 2:30 or so in.

YouTube - Watch Christopher Hitchens Get Waterboarded (VANITY FAIR)

Here's a link to Mancow. The waterboarding starts about 2:30 again.

Radio Talk Show Host Mancow Muller Waterboarded (Video) Right Pundits

So what I was Water Board when I went thru SERE School and it's not ****ing torture end of discussion the Military still us it at SERE School hence it's not ****ing torture.
 
Except it wasn't has never been nor is it torture but thanks for playing the I wish I knew what the Hell I was talking about game please now exit to stage door right and collected you nice parting gifts.

I'll bet the Nazi's didn't admit to torture either. Both President Obama & the new Atty General call it ( Waterboarding) torture, but I guess you neocons know better.
 
so how many casualties do we have in this war, how many in Vietnam?

I wasn't aware that the technological and medical advances made since Vietnam weren't a factor. You are comparing two asymmetrical wars when you should be comparing asymmetrical to symmetrical.

Want to compare the casualties between Desert Storm/Kosovo and the Iraq Conflict? After all, repeter did argue that asymmetrical warfare results in higher causalities for the invading force. So, tell me, have we suffered more losses in Iraq where the conflict is asymmetrical or more in DS/Kosovo were the conflict was symmetrical?

I think your position misses the mark. :2wave:
 
so how many casualties do we have in this war, how many in Vietnam? I think your position misses the mark.

Consider this: if we were up against the Republican Gaurd every day in Iraq, we would still take less losses then in the current situation. The US Army can steamroll any army in a conventional war, but when we have to fight them in homes, and take the time to see if the person in the crosshairs really is hostile, we take losses, which in turn demoralizes our citizens...

The Demoralization, and losses is the problem. We the people don't like losses, and that creates pressure to get out. The Losses are more then what we might have in a regular war.

Another thing about this war, is that not enough people feel the war is worth it. Afghanistan is very close, but Bin Laden is the only thing there that makes a difference.
 
Between Bush's tax cuts,

Which actually raised tax revenues, btw.

the Iraq War,

Everybody believed Iraq to have WMDs, including the French, who were against the war. If we actually had found WMDs don't you think the war might have been a bit more popular?

The way he handled it until the surge, though, is definitely worthy of criticism.


Why on earth is the federal government to blame for a hurricane?


Nobody, absolutely nobody in Bush's place would have been able to stop this from happening.

and everything else that happened during his admin.

Afghanistan: success (up until the last few years at least)
No Child Left Behind: depends on who you ask
Gitmo: non-issue
Bailouts: terrible mistake
Over-spending: terrible mistake

He has essentially turned America into a declining "empire" with another Vietnam,

Iraq: 4,000 US soldiers killed, 100,000 civilians killed
Vietnam: 55,000 US soldiers killed, millions of civilians killed

and a world which hates him.

The world has hated America since long, long before Bush.
 
Average President in unaverage times. He could have done better, could have handled Iraq better, but domestically he was ok. So I would give him a C perhaps C+.
 
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