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Bush's Presidency

How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

  • He's The Best President We've Ever Had

    Votes: 3 3.7%
  • He Was One Of The Best

    Votes: 6 7.3%
  • He Was Pretty Good

    Votes: 8 9.8%
  • He's Alright

    Votes: 6 7.3%
  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    Votes: 13 15.9%
  • He Was One Of The Worst

    Votes: 35 42.7%
  • He Was The Worst

    Votes: 11 13.4%

  • Total voters
    82
They go hand and hand in this case. Iraq was done so we didn't really catch Bin Laden and find out what really happened to the WTC.

I'm not sure about everyone else, but not catching Bin Laden is the biggest black mark on Bush's Presidency. We should have caught that motherf***** by now, but because of god**** Bush, we don't have him, and he's probably aroun the damn world by now. Thanks a fu***** lot Bush.
 
JFK screwed up in Vietnam and made it worse. LBJ escalated Vietnam and that made it even worse. Truman killed women and children with no regard for morality at all. They are considered collateral damage I take it.

Ok fair points, but which President hasnt made these kind of decisions?Which nation?

Bush did Iraq. That is the worst. Iraq was the downfall of the rest. Here he is trying to catch Bin Laden and he attacks Iraq because of WMD's. Did it cross his empty ****ing mind that Korea had WMD's. Bush was a complete and utter failure and history will make him worse even than I think he is.

So Iraq is worse tehn Vietnam I take it?

I don't know that we had a president in my lifetime that I think was really all that great.

So you are basically saying you think the System is bad. So what would you suggest we do in terms of Goverment?

Obama it is to early to tell.

Agree

Bush well you know what I think.

Yes I know.

Clinton was good.

So killing civilians is only bad for certain people?


Eisenhower was another place holder he had good immigration things but he started the Vietnam ball rolling. Truman will never be anything more than a mass murderer in my eyes.

He actually saved Millions, but that is another debate.

Many presidents had great moments. They had that one thing that could make them stand out. most tough just hold the reigns while congress really screws us

Well then I take it you dont support the representative Republic as I assumed, but what is your solution?
 
I had a feeling you couldn't spell.
After you ma'am.
Hmm.....
Yes, the Rational person was my Harvard Economics Professor. Oh, and my Harvard Math Ph.D Grad professor 2 years ago.
But you wouldn't know anything about that would you? It's just like Nixon, you can't win, so you resort to having to attack me personally. :lol: Keep going, the level of ignorance is funny.

My Oxford PhD program had a few rational people too...
And now in my Think Tank... there are a couple...
At my MENSA meetings, I run into a couple, after a beer or two that is...
 
Ok fair points, but which President hasnt made these kind of decisions?Which nation?
So Iraq is worse tehn Vietnam I take it?
So you are basically saying you think the System is bad. So what would you suggest we do in terms of Goverment?
So killing civilians is only bad for certain people?
Well then I take it you dont support the representative Republic as I assumed, but what is your solution?

The US is generally just a machine for making money and building a war machine. We like war. The nation seems to thrive and unite behind war in the early days then it falls on hard times. People become disenchanted by the nature of war and fight against it.

Why not do something to try and avoid it in the beginning. Negotiate with the enemy. No preconditions just talk over coffee and a smoke. Maybe we don't come to the harsh decisions if we do that.
Iraq is worse than Vietnam. Yes. Not because the numbers lost are as high. It was just a very bad decision and based on lies. Vietnam was a **** up pure and simple. Iraq was a designed plan. It was deception at the highest levels. So yes it is far worse. The arrogant Bush in the plane. The statements and the cowboy rhetoric from him.

The system is flawed yes. All systems are flawed. The system does not allow for greatness. It allows for failure. It is designed based on failure. That is why we don't vote a person in for life. We expect he or she will screw it up.

I think we need multiple leaders. One person to see that each department is cared for but just a holder of the reigns. One person in charge of economy. One in charge of foreign affairs. One cannot do it all. It has grown to big for the one.

I am a socialist and that is the type of government I would like to see in place. One of the people by the people for the people with instant recall for a bad job. A system where if you say the you are going to do something in the campaign and it is not done you are gone. That is the system.

I believe in can come through America falling. I don't believe that it can be pushed. In my lifetime will I see what I want no. I just hope that the flawed system that breeds low goals and crushed dreams holds together long enough to do something else.
 
W will go down in the history books as the man who started the fall. Iraq is where empires go to die and W brought us there.

Started what fall? The fall comes every year, right after summer.

Perhaps you could be more specific, since the American republic died the year the Senate became an elected body.
 
I had a feeling you couldn't spell.
After you ma'am.
Hmm.....
Yes, the Rational person was my Harvard Economics Professor. Oh, and my Harvard Math Ph.D Grad professor 2 years ago.
But you wouldn't know anything about that would you? It's just like Nixon, you can't win, so you resort to having to attack me personally. :lol: Keep going, the level of ignorance is funny.

Oh.

You're from Hahvahd.

That explains everything.

No wonder you couldn't figure out that Albore lost the election because he didn't get enough votes in Floriduh!.
 
Started what fall? The fall comes every year, right after summer.

Perhaps you could be more specific, since the American republic died the year the Senate became an elected body.

Bush's presidency was a disaster from which America will never recover. You know exactly what I mean.
 
Bush's presidency was a disaster from which America will never recover. You know exactly what I mean.
We'll recover.

We recovered from Lincoln, we recovered from FDR, we recovered from LBJ, we recovered from Carter....we'll recover from Bush.

Will we recover from Dear Leader? Uncertain, but I am ever hopeful.
 
We'll recover.

We recovered from Lincoln, we recovered from FDR, we recovered from LBJ, we recovered from Carter....we'll recover from Bush.

Will we recover from Dear Leader? Uncertain, but I am ever hopeful.

I think the disaster Bush caused was more than we can handle. I am just glad we did not get John "The Economy is Sound" McCain in office.
 
I think the disaster Bush caused was more than we can handle. I am just glad we did not get John "The Economy is Sound" McCain in office.
Even though Dear Leader echoed McCain's sentiments--after saying we would never recover our economy without his (*ahem*) "stimulus" bill?
 
Even though Dear Leader echoed McCain's sentiments--after saying we would never recover our economy without his (*ahem*) "stimulus" bill?

Which worked/is working. Unless the EU, something else horrible happens ( like the Republicans get a majority in the Senate) we'll be fine.
 
Which worked/is working. Unless the EU, something else horrible happens ( like the Republicans get a majority in the Senate) we'll be fine.

Working is it? GM fails, gas prices are on their way back up, we are still bailing companies out, but we're getting better. We just need more money we never had in the first place right? Is he gonna print that ad nausium too? Have you ever heard of inflation? Because, it is about to happen.
 
Bush's presidency was a disaster from which America will never recover. You know exactly what I mean.

Are you sure you said exactly what you mean?

"America will never recover". You mean we should just put on the Nike sneakers, take the phenobarb cocktail, don the plastic bags and cower under the purple shrouds until we're dead?

Or are you saying that because we've got The Messiah we're simply going the wrong way and the longer we follow that buffoon, who's merely pursuing the same path Bush did, without the few positive things Bush accomplished, such as tax cuts, that it may be impossible to ever undo what your Messiah is going to do to us?

Are you suddenly panicked at the realization that when the nation elects liberals like Clinton then Bush then The Messiah that everything winds up going to hell in a handbasket?

What the hell do you think the people on the right side of the argument have been saying to you people on the wrong side?


Hmmmm?
 
Which worked/is working. Unless the EU, something else horrible happens ( like the Republicans get a majority in the Senate) we'll be fine.

Since less than 15% of the so-called "stimulus" money has actually hit the streets, none of the economic events have been significantly influenced thereby.

When the inflation starts hitting the ceiling, that's when you'll know the "stimulus" money has arrived.

Since most of it is due to arrive in the same year that the Messiah is allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, the net effect is going to be negative.
 
Since less than 15% of the so-called "stimulus" money has actually hit the streets, none of the economic events have been significantly influenced thereby.

When the inflation starts hitting the ceiling, that's when you'll know the "stimulus" money has arrived.

Since most of it is due to arrive in the same year that the Messiah is allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, the net effect is going to be negative.

Thank you scarecrow. I can wholeheartedly endorse this statement. I think it might be the first time I 100% agree with you.
 
Since less than 15% of the so-called "stimulus" money has actually hit the streets, none of the economic events have been significantly influenced thereby.

When the inflation starts hitting the ceiling, that's when you'll know the "stimulus" money has arrived.

Since most of it is due to arrive in the same year that the Messiah is allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, the net effect is going to be negative.

Yeah, they only prevented the collapse of our entire Financial Sector, and 2 of the Big Three.

Hyperinflation is what we need, for a few weeks.

So, taking money from the richest of the rich, and giving to the poor creates a vacuum of money?
 
Why do they have to be mutually exclusive?

She did not claim they where mutually exclusive. She asked what one had to do with the other.
 
Yeah, they only prevented the collapse of our entire Financial Sector, and 2 of the Big Three.

Translation: Your hard earned tax dollars bailed out the bankers who made a mess of things, and you're not ever going to be done paying. Also, you were robbed to bail out companies when there's a perfectly good bankruptcy court right down the street they could have used and saved you tons of money.

So, taking money from the richest of the rich,
and giving to the poor creates a vacuum of money?

One: The Constitution does not recognize Robbin' Hood as a legitimate founding principle.

Two: Last time I checked, the money was flowing from the working people to the bankers.
 
What does Obama doing Cocaine have have to do with McCain being a scumbag?

Drugs are often carried by mules who swallow balloons or condoms filled with drugs.

Cocaine is a drug, and could therefore have been carried in a condom by a mule.

A "scumbag" is slang for a used condom.

So perhaps the mule swallowed McCain?
 
The US is generally just a machine for making money and building a war machine. We like war. The nation seems to thrive and unite behind war in the early days then it falls on hard times. People become disenchanted by the nature of war and fight against it.

I would argue that would include all nations, just happens that Nuclear weapons made War obsolete between the powers, which led to relative peace in Europe.

Why not do something to try and avoid it in the beginning. Negotiate with the enemy. No preconditions just talk over coffee and a smoke. Maybe we don't come to the harsh decisions if we do that.

If only everyone had good intentions, the US is not the only nation with certain particular interests. Look at Chamberlain and Hitler, they sat for coffea and negotiated the Czecks away, and by showing such weakness Chamberlain and company made WW2 probable. I agree with you that War is not the answer all the time, and it shouldnt be used lightly. Yet certain times it has its place "War is just politics by other Means" Clausevitz.



Iraq is worse than Vietnam. Yes. Not because the numbers lost are as high. It was just a very bad decision and based on lies. Vietnam was a **** up pure and simple. Iraq was a designed plan. It was deception at the highest levels. So yes it is far worse. The arrogant Bush in the plane. The statements and the cowboy rhetoric from him.

The Bay of Tonkin incident was a much more serious breach of trust of the people. Yes Bush lied, or misled, or even made a dumb idiotic miscalculation but Vietnam was far worse for the US in terms of Casualties, costs, and social upheavel all in the name of old Colonialism.


The system is flawed yes. All systems are flawed. The system does not allow for greatness. It allows for failure. It is designed based on failure. That is why we don't vote a person in for life. We expect he or she will screw it up.

Interesting take on it, although I think many misjudge Presidents because many of their policies have very much long term affects which other Presidents gain as credit later on so its a crap shoot to honestly judge a Administration outside seriious historical analysis.

I think we need multiple leaders. One person to see that each department is cared for but just a holder of the reigns. One person in charge of economy. One in charge of foreign affairs. One cannot do it all. It has grown to big for the one.

Well he does have his cabinet and it is constantly growing.

I am a socialist and that is the type of government I would like to see in place. One of the people by the people for the people with instant recall for a bad job. A system where if you say the you are going to do something in the campaign and it is not done you are gone. That is the system.

Unfortunately Human nature does not lend itself to Socialism too well IMO. We can discuss that in another thread.

I believe in can come through America falling. I don't believe that it can be pushed. In my lifetime will I see what I want no. I just hope that the flawed system that breeds low goals and crushed dreams holds together long enough to do something else.


I really dont thing the system breeds low goals, we are the same country that landed a Man on the moon. I think what is hurting our progress is that the generations since the fifties have expected to have it good all the time. The world changed but the people feel they are entitled to things being as they were/


BTW thanks for the message, You are an honest debater I do enjoy dialouge with such individuals who are as willing to listen as they are too talk.
 
Yeah, they only prevented the collapse of our entire Financial Sector, and 2 of the Big Three.

Hyperinflation is what we need, for a few weeks.

So, taking money from the richest of the rich, and giving to the poor creates a vacuum of money?

Inflation is never good. Inflation makes the value of the dollar go down. We want it to go up.
 
Inflation is never good. Inflation makes the value of the dollar go down. We want it to go up.

Do you want America to gets its jobs back from China, Nicaragua, Guatemale, etc.? If you do, then inflation is what we need. And it should happen before China becomes self-sustaining economcy wise
 
Do you want America to gets its jobs back from China, Nicaragua, Guatemale, etc.? If you do, then inflation is what we need. And it should happen before China becomes self-sustaining economcy wise

Hmmm....destroy the economy so throroughly so that absolutely no one is working and we're not making any products to export, and thus have no money to buy imports, thus closing factories around the world and triggering a global depression like never seen before....or telling Americans who priced themselves out of jobs that can be done by Guatamalans with fourth grade eductions to learn some skills someone here wants to hire or at least shut up because we're tired of hearing about the problems you're having because you're too ignorant to take care of yourself....hmmm....tough choice.

I'll take "tell whiny Americans to shut up" for a thousand, Alex.
 
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