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Bush's Presidency

How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

  • He's The Best President We've Ever Had

    Votes: 3 3.7%

  • He Was One Of The Best

    Votes: 6 7.3%

  • He Was Pretty Good

    Votes: 8 9.8%

  • He's Alright

    Votes: 6 7.3%

  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    Votes: 13 15.9%

  • He Was One Of The Worst

    Votes: 35 42.7%

  • He Was The Worst

    Votes: 11 13.4%
  • Total voters
    82
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
You are right, you said vapidly that he was one of the worst ever. Nothing intellectual, nothing of value, just intellectually wanting "I hate bush" stupidity.



:2wave:
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I never said I hated him either. Just to help clarify for you again.
 
stekim said:
I never said I hated him either. Just to help clarify for you again.
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Please by all means. lets cut the one liners and have a discussion. "libertarian".


I find for one, William Jefferson Clintions signing of the 94 Assault weapons ban, and his violation of posse committatus in the waco incident far more egregious than anything Bush has done when it comes to our Freedoms.


What say you. Is there anything of depth you would like to add?
 
I think I forgot to mention Richard Nixon.

That makes a minimum of 14 presidents undeniably worse than President Bush by any objective standard.

I would argue that Truman should rank down there given that he himself ranked his own presidency a failure.

And Taft for that matter. Ford as well.

Hmm. That makes 17 presidents worse than President Bush in the least.
 
Dayton3 said:
I think I forgot to mention Richard Nixon.

That makes a minimum of 14 presidents undeniably worse than President Bush by any objective standard.

I would argue that Truman should rank down there given that he himself ranked his own presidency a failure.

And Taft for that matter. Ford as well.

Hmm. That makes 17 presidents worse than President Bush in the least.
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There are no objective standards to opinions. Nice try though.
 
Inferno said:
Until "W" did we ever attack a sovereign nation that had not attacked us first?

That makes him the worst and I am only saying one thing that he screwed the pooch on. I never thought it would be possible to make some of the others look good and he made them all look good.
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Mexico- The Mexican War

Spain- The Spanish American War

Germany- World War I

Germany- World War II

To name just four sovereign nations the U.S. attacked without being attacked by them first.
 
Redress said:
There are no objective standards to opinions. Nice try though.
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Actually we can look at thier presidencies and make some real easy calls.


James Buchannan comes to mind, Many feel his inaction led to the civil war. I think that's pretty bad. :lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Actually we can look at thier presidencies and make some real easy calls.


James Buchannan comes to mind, Many feel his inaction led to the civil war. I think that's pretty bad. :lol:
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But to put it this way. Compare Reagan to, say Clinton. I thought highly of Clinton, Reagan not so much. I suspect you feel some what differently. Now, if we were to start arguing those positions, I think the first thing we would find is that we place a different importance on what each had done, that while we both would agree on what each had accomplished, our ideas of whether those where good and bad, and which were most important would differ.
 
Redress said:
But to put it this way. Compare Reagan to, say Clinton. I thought highly of Clinton, Reagan not so much. I suspect you feel some what differently. Now, if we were to start arguing those positions, I think the first thing we would find is that we place a different importance on what each had done, that while we both would agree on what each had accomplished, our ideas of whether those where good and bad, and which were most important would differ.
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Sure we would profoundly disagree on these two.


However do you disagree with me on the ones I listed?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Sure we would profoundly disagree on these two.


However do you disagree with me on the ones I listed?
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As I mentioned earlier, I just don't know enough about historical presidents(ones before my lifetime) to accurately judge. Just not something I have ever taken enough interest in to study up on. My interest tends to run to science over recent history.
 
Redress said:
But to put it this way. Compare Reagan to, say Clinton. I thought highly of Clinton, Reagan not so much. I suspect you feel some what differently. Now, if we were to start arguing those positions, I think the first thing we would find is that we place a different importance on what each had done, that while we both would agree on what each had accomplished, our ideas of whether those where good and bad, and which were most important would differ.
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Actually, as far as comparisons go, I think both Clinton and Reagan were quite good. They both had their mistakes, of course, and I typically disagree with most Presidents quite a bit, but when pitted against Carter, Bush 1, Bush 2, Nixon and Ford, Reagan and Clinton come out on top.
 
stekim said:
Actually, as far as comparisons go, I think both Clinton and Reagan were quite good. They both had their mistakes, of course, and I typically disagree with most Presidents quite a bit, but when pitted against Carter, Bush 1, Bush 2, Nixon and Ford, Reagan and Clinton come out on top.
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Really? So a "Libertarian" thinks that Clinton was a good president?


:lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Really? So a "Libertarian" thinks that Clinton was a good president?


:lol:
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I don't recall saying that. Odd how you keep doing that. Interesting. It's also quite odd that a "libertarian" would defend Bush's putrid Presidency. How much more of a statist could you possibly be?
 
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stekim said:
I don't recall saying that. Odd how you keep doing that. Interesting. It's also quite odd that a "libertarian" would defend Bush's putrid Presidency. How much more of a statist could you possibly be?
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And you tell me to put down the bong, short term?


stekim said:
Actually, as far as comparisons go, I think both Clinton and Reagan were quite good. They both had their mistakes, of course, and I typically disagree with most Presidents quite a bit, but when pitted against Carter, Bush 1, Bush 2, Nixon and Ford, Reagan and Clinton come out on top.
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:lol:





As for my opinion on Bush. He was too big government, he went socialist in the end, he was mediocre at best.




Anything else?



BTW speaking of "statists" wheres your opinion on Obama, I looked over your posts and don't see any.
 
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stekim said:
Actually, as far as comparisons go, I think both Clinton and Reagan were quite good. They both had their mistakes, of course, and I typically disagree with most Presidents quite a bit, but when pitted against Carter, Bush 1, Bush 2, Nixon and Ford, Reagan and Clinton come out on top.
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Not sure what part of this was confusing for you.
 
stekim said:
Actually, as far as comparisons go, I think both Clinton and Reagan were quite good. They both had their mistakes, of course, and I typically disagree with most Presidents quite a bit, but when pitted against Carter, Bush 1, Bush 2, Nixon and Ford, Reagan and Clinton come out on top.
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Really? So a "Libertarian" thinks that Clinton was a good president?


:lol:
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stekim said:
I don't recall saying that. Odd how you keep doing that. Interesting.
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Ummmmm..... WTF? Did anyone other than myself and Reverend catch this?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Yeah, I didn't see the point in calling him on it, though. No libertarian would claim Clinton was "good".
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What's more astonishing is that most who remember Clinton as "top of the list" can name few substantive accomplishments during his presidency. Rather, they list warm fuzzies like 'times were good' or 'America was respected around the world.' Perhaps they think 'topping the list' simply means making the most talk show appearances...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9EMPrOEdEY]YouTube - Bill and Hillary Clinton on Arsenio Hall[/ame]
 
repeter said:
So, you're essentially saying that Mr. Bush is willing to not do anythign to help the starving, dying people in New Orleans, because of a stupid rule? Sometimes, breaking rules is the right course, and in this case, Mr. Bush did not follow the right course. And I believe a state of emergency was called right after Katrina, so Mr. Bush still decided to not dedicate FEMA, even though it's obvious that they needed the help. What Bush should have done, was wait for the Supreme Court to interpret what a governor's call for help is, and then after submitting some forms, he could have then sent Fema to help. That's essentially what you want. Bureacracy and bull****.

And Remind Me, how am I wrong again???
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You must have supported Bill Clinton.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Another "Vietnam"?


:lol: I thought you lefties dropped thay hyperbole when you realized we weren't gonna lose. :lol:
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It's Obama's war now, it appears he still has troops over there. He is one of the worst presidents in American history.
 
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