View Poll Results: How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

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  • He's The Best President We've Ever Had

    5 4.55%
  • He Was One Of The Best

    7 6.36%
  • He Was Pretty Good

    8 7.27%
  • He's Alright

    9 8.18%
  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    14 12.73%
  • He Was One Of The Worst

    51 46.36%
  • He Was The Worst

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Until "W" did we ever attack a sovereign nation that had not attacked us first?
    Yes. Nicaragua, Mexico, Germany, Italy.


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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Yes. Nicaragua, Mexico, Germany, Italy.
    Germany and Italy declared war on us in WWII.

    Nicaragua, forgot about that one

    Mexico....yeah.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Germany and Italy declared war on us in WWII.

    Nicaragua, forgot about that one

    Mexico....yeah.

    She said attacked, not declared war on us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    She said attacked, not declared war on us.
    War is usually followed by attacks on said country. At least on our shipping...
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    ^Don't forget about the Persian Gulf. Nobody attacked us, but we helped Kuwait out anyways.

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    His handling of helping people after Katrina was disastrous. I know 75% of the blame goes to the FEMA Director, but Bush should have stepped in after 1 day or 2 at the max, and kicked out the Director, and made things work. He didn't, he just talked about it, and then after everything was said and done, and ruined, he went and visited the carnage.
    You're assuming that this kind of thing is the Federal government's responsibility, which is a false assumption. The state and local governments, and the people themselves, are responsible for relief in this situation.

    He should have reacted to 9/11 differently.
    How so?

    He shouldn't have invaded Iraq.
    It was a good idea with the information we had. That said, we shouldn't have had that false information in the first place. Iraq is more the fault of an incompetent CIA than anything else.

    He did do good on Afghanistan, but not enough follow-up.
    True.

    NCLB...ugh...
    Like I said, it depends on who you ask. Apparently you're one of the people who respond negatively, when asked.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    ^Don't forget about the Persian Gulf. Nobody attacked us, but we helped Kuwait out anyways.
    You're assuming that this kind of thing is the Federal government's responsibility, which is a false assumption. The state and local governments, and the people themselves, are responsible for relief in this situation.
    How so?
    It was a good idea with the information we had. That said, we shouldn't have had that false information in the first place. Iraq is more the fault of an incompetent CIA than anything else.
    another one I forgot...

    Well, FEMA is something Bush has the authority to control ( to certain limits of course) and he should have done something, to force the use of available resources. Same for Obama, if he doesn't react to something like Katrina, screw him too.

    The 9/11 thing tied into Iraq. All intelligence should be taken with big pinches of salt, and to completely believe a report enough to go into a war...come one. They screwed up, but that doesn't clear Bush of it either. If Obama went into...Iran because the CIA said there were nuke armed missiles, and there weren't it'd be the same thing.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Really? I think there are some really influential conservative speakers who have been waterboarded...Mancow Muller, was a swimmer, and got ready for the waterboarding, got totally prepared. When they started he lasted about 5 seconds before started gasping and calling for it to stop. Afterwards, he said, ".....absolutely torture." Here are some videos. The actual waterboarding starts about 2:30 or so in.

    YouTube - Watch Christopher Hitchens Get Waterboarded (VANITY FAIR)

    Here's a link to Mancow. The waterboarding starts about 2:30 again.

    Radio Talk Show Host Mancow Muller Waterboarded (Video) Right Pundits
    That's an awesome video, thank you.

    What's wrong with torturing terrorists, though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's an awesome video, thank you.

    What's wrong with torturing terrorists, though?
    Theres no problem with torturing terrorists, but not everyone we hold in Gitmo is a terrorist. And when we waterboard them, they'll say anything to stop it, and so they admit to things they didn't commit. And once we do all this to them, it creates resentment inside those who aren't even terrorists, so we can't release them, because they would turn into what we're trying to prevent. It screws those innocent people into becoming terrorists in the first place.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Which actually raised tax revenues, btw.
    Real questionable. And it's highly probable that Heritage is confusing (or intentionally ignoring) causation and correlation. The economy picked back up. Does that mean the tax cuts raised revenue? Or that the economy raised revenue independent of the tax cuts? Furthermore, bonus depreciation, especially the kind Bush enacted has a way of pushing next year's purchases into current year. It's kind of like legal channel stuffing without the underlying intent to return. Purchases of depreciable property that would have been bought in year two are bought in year one making tax revenues from those sales look larger than normal. It's hard to say.

    Furthermore, the Heritage site admits that tax cuts do not pay for themselves. If tax cuts raised revenue, then they WOULD pay for themselves. The more you cut, the more you receive. The Laffer curve is likely correct on the higher rates, but the Laffer curve as an absolute at all places is laughable.

    The only real strong, irrefutable evidence would be a reduction in taxes with no other legislation to cloud the picture.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What's wrong with torturing terrorists, though?
    If you have to ask, then the answer will not be understandable to you anyway. (Beside, they were SUSPECTED terrorists....found guilty of nothing at all in any court or tribunal)

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