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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Hmmm....destroy the economy so throroughly so that absolutely no one is working and we're not making any products to export, and thus have no money to buy imports, thus closing factories around the world and triggering a global depression like never seen before....or telling Americans who priced themselves out of jobs that can be done by Guatamalans with fourth grade eductions to learn some skills someone here wants to hire or at least shut up because we're tired of hearing about the problems you're having because you're too ignorant to take care of yourself....hmmm....tough choice.

    I'll take "tell whiny Americans to shut up" for a thousand, Alex.
    Ranting is a logical fallacy, as so many people say here. You should try to avoid it. What would occur if we did have a few weeks of hyperinflation would be the following: the dollar would be lower, enough so that we could stop exporting jobs. Our economy would literally have no where to go but up, and so forth we would have a chance to expand the right way. That is to say, without free market ideas eliminating regulation over giants, causing them to become too networked to be allowed to fail. If we can re-expand with the government making sure that if a company fails, we can compartmentalize the damage, we would be much better off. Furthermore, if inflation struck, we would take millions of dollars away from China, in the way of goods exported, and all those jobs.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Ranting is a logical fallacy,
    Not when it's a logical rant.

    I've never seen "ranting" listed as a logical flaw anywhere.

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    What would occur if we did have a few weeks of hyperinflation would be the following:
    Just a "few weeks", huh?

    The Messiah has introduced trillions of brandy new currency into the economy and it's yet to show up. You think it can be turned off like a lawn sprinkler in a California drought?

    You're too young to remember the 1970's aren't you? Oh, no, of course not. in the 1970's, we just had a little inflation, only 13% or so. That put tons of people out of work and made it difficult for people with jobs to make ends meat. In fact, speaking of meat, the 70's is when Hamburger Helper made it's rise. Coincidence? Nope, just idiot government interference in the market and loose monetary policy.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Not when it's a logical rant.

    I've never seen "ranting" listed as a logical flaw anywhere.

    Just a "few weeks", huh?

    The Messiah has introduced trillions of brandy new currency into the economy and it's yet to show up. You think it can be turned off like a lawn sprinkler in a California drought?
    Look more.

    The President is not an economist, so how about we refer to Geithner, or Bernanke? Trillions is a far over what is actually happening. A trillion. You do realize that nearly all money ( paper money) is virtual? IE, it has no real value? So we don't need it to "show up." When you realize that the Stim package, and the Bailout both prevented the nearly unconditional collapse of our financial and automotive sectors, you should be a bit more grateful that we still have an economy to talk about.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Look more.

    The President is not an economist
    No, He's a Messiah.

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    so how about we refer to Geithner,
    Tax Cheat

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    or Bernanke?
    Banker Pawn.

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    Trillions is a far over what is actually happening.
    Let's see....0.787T bailout plus 1.2T stimulus = 2.0T wasted money that has to flush through the economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    You do realize that nearly all money ( paper money) is virtual? IE, it has no real value? So we don't need it to "show up." When you realize that the Stim package, and the Bailout both prevented the nearly unconditional collapse of our financial and automotive sectors, you should be a bit more grateful that we still have an economy to talk about.
    Of course it's virtual. It's even more virtual when the government prints it like Scott making toilet paper. The automotive industry should have been told, sternly, go to bankruptcy court, do not pass go, do not collect 200 billion dollars. The financial sector also should have been allowed to collapse and every single clown on the Federal Reserve should have been fired.

    What are we hearing from DC? Oh, the government feels sorry for the loser jackasses that took mortgages they can't afford and the government is going to spend my tax dollars to make sure they don't lose they houses they didn't pay for, which makes it that much harder for everyone who actually invested wisely and bought homes wisely who've been current with their bills and their mortgages to stay afloat. Your lovely Messiah is rewarding failure, on all levels of industry, from the largest banks and corporations to the tiniest little guy...and he's been poking the little guy that's been responsible like a bull elephant in a herd of horny mares.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Ranting is a logical fallacy, as so many people say here. You should try to avoid it. What would occur if we did have a few weeks of hyperinflation would be the following: the dollar would be lower, enough so that we could stop exporting jobs. Our economy would literally have no where to go but up, and so forth we would have a chance to expand the right way. That is to say, without free market ideas eliminating regulation over giants, causing them to become too networked to be allowed to fail. If we can re-expand with the government making sure that if a company fails, we can compartmentalize the damage, we would be much better off. Furthermore, if inflation struck, we would take millions of dollars away from China, in the way of goods exported, and all those jobs.
    You are obviously not using the same definition of inflation as me, because inflation does not take money from other countries. Inflation is what happens when we make more money. The more dollars there are in the market, the less those individual dollars are worth. This means that our dollars is worth less compared to other currencies. Thus the Chinese yen gains closer to the dollar and the Euro continues to increase its comparative value. Inflation is related to currency.

    If the value of the dollar falls then banks get paid back with money that is worth less than when they loaned it, this means that the bank will lose money and have to raise its interest rates, which means more people will default on their loans, which exacerbates our current situation.

    Jobs will return if we make business more affordable here in the U.S. Part of that includes building the value of the dollar back up, which means we have to raise the collective interest rates. So that we get Deflation. This means the dollar is worth more, because there are less of them. Then banks are paid back with dollars that are worth more, allowing them to have lower individual rates.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    You are obviously not using the same definition of inflation as me, because inflation does not take money from other countries. Inflation is what happens when we make more money. The more dollars there are in the market, the less those individual dollars are worth. This means that our dollars is worth less compared to other currencies. Thus the Chinese yen gains closer to the dollar and the Euro continues to increase its comparative value. Inflation is related to currency.

    If the value of the dollar falls then banks get paid back with money that is worth less than when they loaned it, this means that the bank will lose money and have to raise its interest rates, which means more people will default on their loans, which exacerbates our current situation.

    Jobs will return if we make business more affordable here in the U.S. Part of that includes building the value of the dollar back up, which means we have to raise the collective interest rates. So that we get Deflation. This means the dollar is worth more, because there are less of them. Then banks are paid back with dollars that are worth more, allowing them to have lower individual rates.
    Take sometime to understand what I'm saying. What I said, and still am saying is that when we enter a state of hyperinflation, we are going to lose currency value. But, that allows us to transfer jobs from China back here, because the currency has losts its value enough for it to be cheaper to make things in America. Maybe if we build ourselves up again, without a minimum wage, we could achieve market equilibrium, and have a very nice growth/ DOW increase.

    And businesses will become more affordable in America when 1. Gasoline skyrockets to $400 a barrel, increasing transportation costs from China to the US, or 2. The Dollar loses enough value that it is cheaper to produce things in the US.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, He's a Messiah.
    Tax Cheat
    Banker Pawn.
    Let's see....0.787T bailout plus 1.2T stimulus = 2.0T wasted money that has to flush through the economy.
    Of course it's virtual. It's even more virtual when the government prints it like Scott making toilet paper. The automotive industry should have been told, sternly, go to bankruptcy court, do not pass go, do not collect 200 billion dollars. The financial sector also should have been allowed to collapse and every single clown on the Federal Reserve should have been fired.
    What are we hearing from DC? Oh, the government feels sorry for the loser jackasses that took mortgages they can't afford and the government is going to spend my tax dollars to make sure they don't lose they houses they didn't pay for, which makes it that much harder for everyone who actually invested wisely and bought homes wisely who've been current with their bills and their mortgages to stay afloat. Your lovely Messiah is rewarding failure, on all levels of industry, from the largest banks and corporations to the tiniest little guy...and he's been poking the little guy that's been responsible like a bull elephant in a herd of horny mares.
    Rant, rant, rant. You are very bad at math you know that? .787+1.2=1.987 A difference of $13,000,000,000 between what your facts dictate, and what you said.

    When you get your math right, and you get some substance, message me.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Rant, rant, rant. You are very bad at math you know that? .787+1.2=1.987 A difference of $13,000,000,000 between what your facts dictate, and what you said.

    When you get your math right, and you get some substance, message me.
    Okay, you didn't have to demonstrate your limited arithmetic skills (you used a calculator,didn't you?) to prove you've ran out of arguments.

    Why don't you whip that baby out and show us all what percentage 13B is when compared to 2T, okay? Really impress us with your skills.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Rant, rant, rant. You are very bad at math you know that? .787+1.2=1.987 A difference of $13,000,000,000 between what your facts dictate, and what you said.

    When you get your math right, and you get some substance, message me.
    You are extremely arrogant...


    Originally Posted by repeter
    Okay, you didn't have to demonstrate your limited arithmetic skills (you used a calculator,didn't you?) to prove you've ran out of arguments.

    Why don't you whip that baby out and show us all what percentage 13B is when compared to 2T, okay? Really impress us with your skills.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Take sometime to understand what I'm saying. What I said, and still am saying is that when we enter a state of hyperinflation, we are going to lose currency value. But, that allows us to transfer jobs from China back here, because the currency has losts its value enough for it to be cheaper to make things in America. Maybe if we build ourselves up again, without a minimum wage, we could achieve market equilibrium, and have a very nice growth/ DOW increase.

    And businesses will become more affordable in America when 1. Gasoline skyrockets to $400 a barrel, increasing transportation costs from China to the US, or 2. The Dollar loses enough value that it is cheaper to produce things in the US.
    When the value of the dollar falls, raw materials will cost more, because it will take more dollars to equal the same value. Therefore this will make production in the U.S. more expensive. The way to reduce operating cost is to weaken unions, remove some regulations that restrict business (leaving some of the important ones), and lower business taxes.
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