View Poll Results: How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

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  • He's The Best President We've Ever Had

    5 4.55%
  • He Was One Of The Best

    7 6.36%
  • He Was Pretty Good

    8 7.27%
  • He's Alright

    9 8.18%
  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    14 12.73%
  • He Was One Of The Worst

    51 46.36%
  • He Was The Worst

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Since less than 15% of the so-called "stimulus" money has actually hit the streets, none of the economic events have been significantly influenced thereby.

    When the inflation starts hitting the ceiling, that's when you'll know the "stimulus" money has arrived.

    Since most of it is due to arrive in the same year that the Messiah is allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, the net effect is going to be negative.
    Thank you scarecrow. I can wholeheartedly endorse this statement. I think it might be the first time I 100% agree with you.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Since less than 15% of the so-called "stimulus" money has actually hit the streets, none of the economic events have been significantly influenced thereby.

    When the inflation starts hitting the ceiling, that's when you'll know the "stimulus" money has arrived.

    Since most of it is due to arrive in the same year that the Messiah is allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, the net effect is going to be negative.
    Yeah, they only prevented the collapse of our entire Financial Sector, and 2 of the Big Three.

    Hyperinflation is what we need, for a few weeks.

    So, taking money from the richest of the rich, and giving to the poor creates a vacuum of money?
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    What does Obama doing Cocaine have have to do with McCain being a scumbag?
    Why do they have to be mutually exclusive?
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Why do they have to be mutually exclusive?
    She did not claim they where mutually exclusive. She asked what one had to do with the other.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Yeah, they only prevented the collapse of our entire Financial Sector, and 2 of the Big Three.
    Translation: Your hard earned tax dollars bailed out the bankers who made a mess of things, and you're not ever going to be done paying. Also, you were robbed to bail out companies when there's a perfectly good bankruptcy court right down the street they could have used and saved you tons of money.

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    So, taking money from the richest of the rich,
    and giving to the poor creates a vacuum of money?
    One: The Constitution does not recognize Robbin' Hood as a legitimate founding principle.

    Two: Last time I checked, the money was flowing from the working people to the bankers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    What does Obama doing Cocaine have have to do with McCain being a scumbag?
    Drugs are often carried by mules who swallow balloons or condoms filled with drugs.

    Cocaine is a drug, and could therefore have been carried in a condom by a mule.

    A "scumbag" is slang for a used condom.

    So perhaps the mule swallowed McCain?

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    The US is generally just a machine for making money and building a war machine. We like war. The nation seems to thrive and unite behind war in the early days then it falls on hard times. People become disenchanted by the nature of war and fight against it.
    I would argue that would include all nations, just happens that Nuclear weapons made War obsolete between the powers, which led to relative peace in Europe.

    Why not do something to try and avoid it in the beginning. Negotiate with the enemy. No preconditions just talk over coffee and a smoke. Maybe we don't come to the harsh decisions if we do that.
    If only everyone had good intentions, the US is not the only nation with certain particular interests. Look at Chamberlain and Hitler, they sat for coffea and negotiated the Czecks away, and by showing such weakness Chamberlain and company made WW2 probable. I agree with you that War is not the answer all the time, and it shouldnt be used lightly. Yet certain times it has its place "War is just politics by other Means" Clausevitz.



    Iraq is worse than Vietnam. Yes. Not because the numbers lost are as high. It was just a very bad decision and based on lies. Vietnam was a **** up pure and simple. Iraq was a designed plan. It was deception at the highest levels. So yes it is far worse. The arrogant Bush in the plane. The statements and the cowboy rhetoric from him.
    The Bay of Tonkin incident was a much more serious breach of trust of the people. Yes Bush lied, or misled, or even made a dumb idiotic miscalculation but Vietnam was far worse for the US in terms of Casualties, costs, and social upheavel all in the name of old Colonialism.


    The system is flawed yes. All systems are flawed. The system does not allow for greatness. It allows for failure. It is designed based on failure. That is why we don't vote a person in for life. We expect he or she will screw it up.
    Interesting take on it, although I think many misjudge Presidents because many of their policies have very much long term affects which other Presidents gain as credit later on so its a crap shoot to honestly judge a Administration outside seriious historical analysis.

    I think we need multiple leaders. One person to see that each department is cared for but just a holder of the reigns. One person in charge of economy. One in charge of foreign affairs. One cannot do it all. It has grown to big for the one.
    Well he does have his cabinet and it is constantly growing.

    I am a socialist and that is the type of government I would like to see in place. One of the people by the people for the people with instant recall for a bad job. A system where if you say the you are going to do something in the campaign and it is not done you are gone. That is the system.
    Unfortunately Human nature does not lend itself to Socialism too well IMO. We can discuss that in another thread.

    I believe in can come through America falling. I don't believe that it can be pushed. In my lifetime will I see what I want no. I just hope that the flawed system that breeds low goals and crushed dreams holds together long enough to do something else.

    I really dont thing the system breeds low goals, we are the same country that landed a Man on the moon. I think what is hurting our progress is that the generations since the fifties have expected to have it good all the time. The world changed but the people feel they are entitled to things being as they were/


    BTW thanks for the message, You are an honest debater I do enjoy dialouge with such individuals who are as willing to listen as they are too talk.


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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Yeah, they only prevented the collapse of our entire Financial Sector, and 2 of the Big Three.

    Hyperinflation is what we need, for a few weeks.

    So, taking money from the richest of the rich, and giving to the poor creates a vacuum of money?
    Inflation is never good. Inflation makes the value of the dollar go down. We want it to go up.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    Inflation is never good. Inflation makes the value of the dollar go down. We want it to go up.
    Do you want America to gets its jobs back from China, Nicaragua, Guatemale, etc.? If you do, then inflation is what we need. And it should happen before China becomes self-sustaining economcy wise
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Do you want America to gets its jobs back from China, Nicaragua, Guatemale, etc.? If you do, then inflation is what we need. And it should happen before China becomes self-sustaining economcy wise
    Hmmm....destroy the economy so throroughly so that absolutely no one is working and we're not making any products to export, and thus have no money to buy imports, thus closing factories around the world and triggering a global depression like never seen before....or telling Americans who priced themselves out of jobs that can be done by Guatamalans with fourth grade eductions to learn some skills someone here wants to hire or at least shut up because we're tired of hearing about the problems you're having because you're too ignorant to take care of yourself....hmmm....tough choice.

    I'll take "tell whiny Americans to shut up" for a thousand, Alex.

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