View Poll Results: How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

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  • He's The Best President We've Ever Had

    5 4.55%
  • He Was One Of The Best

    7 6.36%
  • He Was Pretty Good

    8 7.27%
  • He's Alright

    9 8.18%
  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    14 12.73%
  • He Was One Of The Worst

    51 46.36%
  • He Was The Worst

    16 14.55%
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Except it wasn't has never been nor is it torture but thanks for playing the I wish I knew what the Hell I was talking about game please now exit to stage door right and collected you nice parting gifts.
    I'll bet the Nazi's didn't admit to torture either. Both President Obama & the new Atty General call it ( Waterboarding) torture, but I guess you neocons know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    so how many casualties do we have in this war, how many in Vietnam?
    I wasn't aware that the technological and medical advances made since Vietnam weren't a factor. You are comparing two asymmetrical wars when you should be comparing asymmetrical to symmetrical.

    Want to compare the casualties between Desert Storm/Kosovo and the Iraq Conflict? After all, repeter did argue that asymmetrical warfare results in higher causalities for the invading force. So, tell me, have we suffered more losses in Iraq where the conflict is asymmetrical or more in DS/Kosovo were the conflict was symmetrical?

    I think your position misses the mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    so how many casualties do we have in this war, how many in Vietnam? I think your position misses the mark.
    Consider this: if we were up against the Republican Gaurd every day in Iraq, we would still take less losses then in the current situation. The US Army can steamroll any army in a conventional war, but when we have to fight them in homes, and take the time to see if the person in the crosshairs really is hostile, we take losses, which in turn demoralizes our citizens...

    The Demoralization, and losses is the problem. We the people don't like losses, and that creates pressure to get out. The Losses are more then what we might have in a regular war.

    Another thing about this war, is that not enough people feel the war is worth it. Afghanistan is very close, but Bin Laden is the only thing there that makes a difference.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Between Bush's tax cuts,
    Which actually raised tax revenues, btw.

    the Iraq War,
    Everybody believed Iraq to have WMDs, including the French, who were against the war. If we actually had found WMDs don't you think the war might have been a bit more popular?

    The way he handled it until the surge, though, is definitely worthy of criticism.

    Katrina,
    Why on earth is the federal government to blame for a hurricane?

    9/11
    Nobody, absolutely nobody in Bush's place would have been able to stop this from happening.

    and everything else that happened during his admin.
    Afghanistan: success (up until the last few years at least)
    No Child Left Behind: depends on who you ask
    Gitmo: non-issue
    Bailouts: terrible mistake
    Over-spending: terrible mistake

    He has essentially turned America into a declining "empire" with another Vietnam,
    Iraq: 4,000 US soldiers killed, 100,000 civilians killed
    Vietnam: 55,000 US soldiers killed, millions of civilians killed

    and a world which hates him.
    The world has hated America since long, long before Bush.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Average President in unaverage times. He could have done better, could have handled Iraq better, but domestically he was ok. So I would give him a C perhaps C+.


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    Until "W" did we ever attack a sovereign nation that had not attacked us first?

    That makes him the worst and I am only saying one thing that he screwed the pooch on. I never thought it would be possible to make some of the others look good and he made them all look good.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Why on earth is the federal government to blame for a hurricane?
    Nobody, absolutely nobody in Bush's place would have been able to stop this from happening.
    Afghanistan: success (up until the last few years at least)
    No Child Left Behind: depends on who you ask
    Gitmo: non-issue
    Bailouts: terrible mistake
    Over-spending: terrible mistake
    His handling of helping people after Katrina was disastrous. I know 75% of the blame goes to the FEMA Director, but Bush should have stepped in after 1 day or 2 at the max, and kicked out the Director, and made things work. He didn't, he just talked about it, and then after everything was said and done, and ruined, he went and visited the carnage.

    He should have reacted to 9/11 differently. He shouldn't have invaded Iraq. He did do good on Afghanistan, but not enough follow-up.

    NCLB...ugh...

    Agree with the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    Until "W" did we ever attack a sovereign nation that had not attacked us first?

    That makes him the worst and I am only saying one thing that he screwed the pooch on. I never thought it would be possible to make some of the others look good and he made them all look good.

    yes you had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    Until "W" did we ever attack a sovereign nation that had not attacked us first?

    That makes him the worst and I am only saying one thing that he screwed the pooch on. I never thought it would be possible to make some of the others look good and he made them all look good.
    'Cept Hoover, who single handedly started the Great Depression. Admitedly, he did set the stage for a dramatic comeback into WWII...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Real Talk View Post
    yes you had.
    First, where are you? Country-wise?

    And the only ones are 1812, Mexican-American, and Vietnam.

    1812 wasn't supremely justified, but after sacking of Washington...

    Mexican-American was all about land.

    Vietnam, we were supporting our French allies.
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