View Poll Results: How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

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  • He's The Best President We've Ever Had

    5 4.55%
  • He Was One Of The Best

    7 6.36%
  • He Was Pretty Good

    8 7.27%
  • He's Alright

    9 8.18%
  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    14 12.73%
  • He Was One Of The Worst

    51 46.36%
  • He Was The Worst

    16 14.55%
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
    You didn't prove it at all... at best it is a hypothetical.

    Originally Posted by stekim
    No it's not. You can either defend your country or you cannot.

    Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
    it is a hypothetical. Sorry, it simply is so...

    Originally Posted by stekim
    Well yes. While hypothetical
    If you would only not start out as such a hot-head...
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Only if the deficit is larger than the amount of money spent on the unconstitutional and hence illegal items.

    If a home has $1000 income and the family spends $995 dollars on rent, energy, food and water, transportation, and clothing, and $605 on entertainment, it cannot be reasonably said that the home is too expensive for the family. No, the family is wasting money on non-essentials, and it's the non-essentials that have to be cut.
    But the family is still spending too much on rent when they should look for a cheaper place to live, simillar to how Reagan shouldn't have cut taxes as much.

    You touch on a great point that the root cause of the debt under Reagan (or any president) inherently has always been from unconstitutional spending. I just think that one of the only things worse then useless spending is not financing it with anything.

    Odviously, it would be prefferable for there to be cuts to ballance the budget, but Reagan still should have understood that he increased the debt to GDP level by way too much.
    Unlike in your senario, the "essential" cost that you are associating with lower taxes does not exist, because taxes can always be increased.

    Reagan had alot of things going against him, from a weaker military position and the democratic controlled congress, so he will continue to be praised by history despite his defecit.

    But we still can't let him off the hook so easily, the national debt is too big a problem for that, we need to aknowedge that a ballanced budget should be one of the highest priorities, and allowing more debt is always a grace problem.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Flawed argument. Because it IS Constitutional for them to spend money where they do. I'm not saying it's smart or needed, but it's clearly not illegal. If it was actually unconstitutional they couldn't do it. Your ignorance of Constutional law is leading you to invalid arguments. You are stating something as a fact when the exact is opposite is clearly true.
    Something being constitutional or not is separate from it being allowed. The government commonly violates the Constitution.

    Just admit that those programs are unconstitutional, and support them anyway (like me). :P :P

    The 10th amendment is pretty specific about how Congress can only carry out then enumerated powers. If you have any questions with that, I can try to explain them.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    But the family is still spending too much on rent when they should look for a cheaper place to live, simillar to how Reagan shouldn't have cut taxes as much.
    Not relevant. They'd be able to afford the rent if they weren't wasting their money on non-essentials.

    We wouldn't have a deficit if the government wasn't wasting our money on unconstitutional non-essentials.

    this point has already been discussed and debated and your side lost.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post

    this point has already been discussed and debated and your side lost.
    Keep telling yourself that. I bet believing that helps you sleep better at night. It's not true, but go ahead and believe it anyway.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Keep telling yourself that.
    Don't need to.

    I've already told you that.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Don't need to.

    I've already told you that.
    And as with every thing else you have told me, you where both wrong, and amusing.

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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    "W" presidency was an affrount to any intelligent life. I have never hated an administration so much in my life. Nixon was pretty easy to dislike but W made me sick to my stomach the last few years. I could not even look at him. He was disgusting.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    As I mentioned earlier, I just don't know enough about historical presidents(ones before my lifetime) to accurately judge. Just not something I have ever taken enough interest in to study up on. My interest tends to run to science over recent history.
    Recent history tends to repeat old history. If you know old history you can make somewhat accuracte predictions. Study the causes of the Great depression and you can see why some people are alarmed with the way things are going now.

    The government depends on you to be historically ignorant in order to get on their bull**** bills and ride them through town.
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    Re: Bush's Presidency

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    "W" presidency was an affrount to any intelligent life. I have never hated an administration so much in my life. Nixon was pretty easy to dislike but W made me sick to my stomach the last few years. I could not even look at him. He was disgusting.
    Wow. Since the messiah is supporting most if not all of Bushs non cosmetic policies right now you must be really heartsick.

    Obama=Bush
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